Hands part of the ball

[tref]

Conversing with a veteran official in our post-game last night, we disscussed the following:

4-24-2
It is legal use of hands to reach to block or slap the ball controlled by a dribbler or a player throwing for goal or a player holding it and accidentally hitting the hand of the opponent when it is in contact with the ball.

Since "while passing" was not mentioned, I thought accidentally hitting the hand in a passing situation was a foul... but incidental contact while passing the ball fits the following rule.

10-6-2
A player shall not contact an opponent with his/her hand unless such contact is only with the opponent's hand while it is on the ball and is incidental to an attempt to play the ball.


What says ye? Caseplays are welcomed, thanks!

[Adam]

As long as he's playing the ball, it's legal.

[tref]

Ok, I just find it strange that 4-24-2 mentions every live ball senario with p/c except for passing. Holding the ball could be interpeted as passing the ball, I guess.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by tref

Ok, I just find it strange that 4-24-2 mentions every live ball senario with p/c except for passing. Holding the ball could be interpeted as passing the ball, I guess.

I think so. I can't imagine the rules would allow more protection for a player passing than they do for a shooter.

[Amesman]

This is a tough one to grasp sometimes, esp. for newer officials, particularly when there is a shot and contact on the hand. Suggestions on how to judge this? I once had a partner say, "It needs to be contact on the wrist or lower." But does that not take the "incidental" requirement into account?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by tref

Ok, I just find it strange that 4-24-2 mentions every live ball senario with p/c except for passing. Holding the ball could be interpeted as passing the ball, I guess.

Exactly. They're either holding the ball or they're not holding the ball. And, if on a pass, they're no longer holding the ball, contact on the hand is probably incidental.