3 Man Lead Question

[Rich]

Originally Posted by CDurham

I was reviewing some game film and came across a play that I missed. I was in the Lead after a defensive rebound was secured. I am opposite table and the girl secures the rebound in the center of the lane and facing the table where the Center is. I am looking at her back in the Lead, while the Center has a good view of her front. A defender comes in and I "see" her arm go around the player with the ball and in the direction of where she is holding the ball. The offensive player gives the common shake off trying to (what I presumed) get the ball loose. I go up with the held ball, but in reviewing the tape my partner in the Center is starting to go up with the foul but doesnt as I come in with the held ball. However it should have been a foul.

Is there any way to handle this type situation as the Lead? If you are blocked like this should you leave the call to the center official as he has a view of the front of the player and play (if the action happens up front)?

Thanks!

The key thing here is that you don't see the tie-up. You're looking through a back and guessing. That's been said many times already, so no need to pile on.

If you have a C that doesn't bail, let the C pick this one up. If you're working 2-person, hopefully the L hasn't bailed and is in a good position to help. If not, wait a beat and see if the play resolves itself (ball is clearly tied up or you can clearly see a foul) or if you can get a better angle.

As far as the held ball vs. a foul, clearly your partner didn't have conviction of his call or he would've came in and sold it. I have no problem with me signaling a held ball and a partner calling a foul. Whining coaches are told that the contact lead to the held ball and life goes on.

[Freddy]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Whining coaches are told that the contact lead to the held ball and life goes on.

. . . or that the held ball led to the contact. As when two players have firm grasps on the ball, then one of them yanks and twists, bringing the other's arm in contact with his/her counterpart's body. Seems this is commonly called a foul on the innocent player whose arm just happened to get yanked across the other player's midsection. "The held ball preceeded the contact, coach."

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Freddy

. . . or that the held ball led to the contact. As when two players have firm grasps on the ball, then one of them yanks and twists, bringing the other's arm in contact with his/her counterpart's body. Seems this is commonly called a foul on the innocent player whose arm just happened to get yanked across the other player's midsection. "The held ball preceeded the contact, coach."

Oh, sure. I was thinking about the situation where the player goes through the arm to tie the ball up. Certainly it can happen the other way.