3 Man Lead Question

[CDurham]

Originally Posted by biggravy

Take this as just advice, not saying right or wrong: I used to feel like "I've got to have something." Now I realize that is why we have partners. Watch the play, see your partner in your peripheral vision. If you see he is watching the play, trust your partner while you are stepping to get a better angle if possible. It's okay to have nothing there. What I'm curious about, if we have a double whistle on a tie up sitch where my partner has a held ball and I have illegal contact that allowed B1 to tie up that ball, I'm coming in HARD with the foul.

He didn't go up all the way or he probably would have, in fact he didn't have a whistle, just arm movement.

[Butterfly182310]

My opinion...unless it's absolutely, clearly, a clean held ball, call the foul. From your description of the play, which we've all seen many times, it's unlikely that contact did not occur to "gain the advantage" of placing a hand on the ball. By opting for the held ball, you'll be making "decisions" on that play all night. By calling a foul, you send the message that it will be good clean defense, or a special place on the bench picking splinters. You could classify it as a "game management foul".

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by Butterfly182310

My opinion...unless it's absolutely, clearly, a clean held ball, call the foul. From your description of the play, which we've all seen many times, it's unlikely that contact did not occur to "gain the advantage" of placing a hand on the ball. By opting for the held ball, you'll be making "decisions" on that play all night. By calling a foul, you send the message that it will be good clean defense, or a special place on the bench picking splinters. You could classify it as a "game management foul".

Boo. Absolutely, couldn't disagree more. Don't guess.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Butterfly182310

My opinion...unless it's absolutely, clearly, a clean held ball, call the foul. From your description of the play, which we've all seen many times, it's unlikely that contact did not occur to "gain the advantage" of placing a hand on the ball. By opting for the held ball, you'll be making "decisions" on that play all night. By calling a foul, you send the message that it will be good clean defense, or a special place on the bench picking splinters. You could classify it as a "game management foul".

"Game Management" is calling a foul on a player when you never actually saw a foul committed?

Lah me.....

You've got me confused (which isn't that unusual). Aren't we supposed to be making decisions on every play? They're all different, aren't they? Every time a defender reaches in to try and tie up the ball, we have to decide whether they fouled doing so, tied it up or we should let play continue. Period. We sureasheck shouldn't be calling it a foul every time in the name of "game management".

My opinion is that's bad advice. From the description of the play, the official was blocked and couldn't see anything. You should only call a foul if it's absolutely, clearly a foul. You should only call a held ball if it's absolutely, clearly a held ball. If you start guessing, guess wrong and it wasn't a foul, what message do you think you're sending in that case?

The play is what it is. It doesn't have to be anything.

Never call what you can't see.

JMO