Legal dribble or not?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

A1 receives a pass and releases the ball to start a dribble. The ball hits the top of his foot, never touching the floor, and bounces straight up. A1 then bats the ball to the floor.

Actually, if this is a violation, it's a violation regardless of whether he bats it again after it hits his foot. The violation would be for hitting the foot (the 2nd touch of a dribble before it hits the floor).

[SNIPERBBB]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Actually, if this is a violation, it's a violation regardless of whether he bats it again after it hits his foot. The violation would be for hitting the foot (the 2nd touch of a dribble before it hits the floor).

Going back to 4.15.4.D c shows that hitting the foot is legal.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB

Going back to 4.15.4.D c shows that hitting the foot is legal.

good point, I just re-read 4-15-2, and it qualifies the 2nd touch (illegal) as being with the hands. It wouldn't be a violation until the player bats it a 2nd time with his hands.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Actually, if this is a violation, it's a violation regardless of whether he bats it again after it hits his foot. The violation would be for hitting the foot (the 2nd touch of a dribble before it hits the floor).

Is hitting the foot the same as hitting the floor? In this case, I think it is. If not, the ball hasn't hit the floor, so the dribble hasn't started yet. Either way, no violation.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Is hitting the foot the same as hitting the floor? In this case, I think it is. If not, the ball hasn't hit the floor, so the dribble hasn't started yet. Either way, no violation.

I agree it's not a violation, but I think it's because the ball is never batted "in the air."

Change the play, A1, during his dribble, bats the ball in the air over B1's head. He attempts to let it hit the floor legally before continuing the dribble, but his foot gets in the way. It hits his foot and bounces up, then he bats the ball to the floor and continues on his way.

I've got a violatin here, he batted it in the air and hit it again with his hand prior to the ball hitting the floor.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by just another ref

If not, the ball hasn't hit the floor, so the dribble hasn't started yet. Either way, no violation.

I deem that in this play the ball was accidentally and unintentionally fumbled, that the "first dribble" never occurred because the ball never hit the floor, and that it's legal if the player decided to start a new dribble.

Check?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I deem that in this play the ball was accidentally and unintentionally fumbled, that the "first dribble" never occurred because the ball never hit the floor, and that it's legal if the player decided to start a new dribble.

Check?

It was not a fumble. The ball was released to start a dribble. This was a given in the OP.

Checkmate

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by just another ref

It was not a fumble. The ball was released to start a dribble. This was a given in the OP. Checkmate

Good point, but I've already deemed this. Too late.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Good point, but I've already deemed this. Too late.

Go look for pictures of chess pieces, then report back to us.


Next year.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Go look for pictures of chess pieces, then report back to us. Next year.

Wait a minute here? You are out of order trying to override my deeming, and I get double secret probation? Just doesn't seem fair? Who's the Forum parliamentarian?