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[bainsey]

Originally Posted by RookieDude

HPERBOLE [sic] at it's finest.

It's only hyperbole when you don't mean what you say. I do.

And Snaqs, sometimes, we have to give a damn what people infer. Perhaps not in rule enforcement, but in the grand scheme of things, simply being nice and classy makes things smoother between us and the rest of the basketball world.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bainsey

It's only hyperbole when you don't mean what you say. I do.

And Snaqs, sometimes, we have to give a damn what people infer. Perhaps not in rule enforcement, but in the grand scheme of things, simply being nice and classy makes things smoother between us and the rest of the basketball world.

It's hyperbole because you're making it say more than it does. You're reading way too much into his statements. Maybe "hysteria" would be a better word than hyperbole.

My point was, just because you infer something from what he said doesn't mean that's what he implied. It also doesn't mean others will infer it.

I tend to agree with Rut on this; people are making way too much of it. But that goes both ways. The state of player-official relations isn't going to change either way.

Call it what it is, a meaningless formality.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I tend to agree with Rut on this; people are making way too much of it. But that goes both ways. The state of player-official relations isn't going to change either way.

Call it what it is, a meaningless formality.

Whether we like it or not people will draw conclusions on what we do or do not do. Just like people will assume something if we shake the hand of a person that will be in the stands during the game and that person is wearing colors from one of the school. Or there are those that will draw conclusions if we put our arms around a player. Of course it is not hyperbole to say that everything will be affected by this one act, but someone will draw some conclusion one way or another. I just think it looks silly to deny a kid or coach a handshake when they come to you. I just think this is something we can avoid looking bad and aloof or unapproachable if you deny a kid that is shaking opponent’s hands and then come by you.

Peace

[AKOFL]

If people in my association put half as much effort into their rule book as you guys do in comming up with thoughts on a crazy hand shake/fist bump they would be pro by now. Not a big deal to me. that is a decision for the kids to make. As for my captains meeting, "Hi, my name is Toma, I'll be hear all night. Don't forget to tip your waitress and try the veal"

[Loudwhistle]

Originally Posted by AKOFL

If people in my association put half as much effort into their rule book as you guys do in comming up with thoughts on a crazy hand shake/fist bump they would be pro by now. Not a big deal to me. that is a decision for the kids to make. As for my captains meeting, "Hi, my name is Toma, I'll be hear all night. Don't forget to tip your waitress and try the veal"

Check your private messages

lw

[RookieDude]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I just think it looks silly to deny a kid or coach a handshake when they come to you.

C'mon man...

Who said anything about DENYING a handshake...some of us (and some states and associations) just would prefer it be eliminated from the pre-game formality. No biggy either way...so we can all just relax.

I gotta go do a double header...and fist bump some kids tonight.

[26 Year Gap]

I wasn't talking about ignoring or walking away from an attempt. I still remember a couple of opponents who refused to shake hands and put their hand behind their backs. That was in HS many years ago.

[stir22]

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap

I still remember a couple of opponents who refused to shake hands and put their hand behind their backs. That was in HS many years ago.

interesting. how did that game go?

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by stir22

interesting. how did that game go?

One basketball. One soccer. I always shook hands of opponents who fouled out. This one kid took exception to it. We won that game handily. The other was an Eastern Maine Soccer Championship, which we won 1-0 in OT. County rival. Always had close games. It was a well played game and this guy was next to me when the final horn went off. I was on a first name basis with a lot of his teammates. Found out their view of the kid and mine were not all that dissimilar.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by RookieDude

C'mon man...

Who said anything about DENYING a handshake...some of us (and some states and associations) just would prefer it be eliminated from the pre-game formality. No biggy either way...so we can all just relax.

I gotta go do a double header...and fist bump some kids tonight.

It is not that important to me, but I believe someone said they would not do it if they were put into that situation or would go to great measures to not have to handshake. And no I do not recall it being you that said this first or when as we are almost at the double digit page level of this thread. And I am not sure who put it in the formalities at all, it seems like someone decided to do it and others followed. I see it as a gesture to us when they shake the opponents and coach's hands. Again, do not see the big deal even if it is contrived.

Peace

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

The state of player-official relations isn't going to change either way.

That's the crux of our disagreement.

The fact is, like it or not, much of what we do has a ripple effect, intended or not. If we come off as unsportsmanlike, it just plain doesn't look good.

JRut nails it. People will draw conclusions, sometimes just to suit them. However, nearly everyone will infer that something is wrong if an official has an aversion to handshakes. That's not hyperbole, nor hysteria (talk about overstatements). That's reality, and it's far from meaningless.

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by bainsey

That's the crux of our disagreement.

The fact is, like it or not, much of what we do has a ripple effect, intended or not. If we come off as unsportsmanlike, it just plain doesn't look good.

JRut nails it. People will draw conclusions, sometimes just to suit them. However, nearly everyone will infer that something is wrong if an official has an aversion to handshakes. That's not hyperbole, nor hysteria (talk about overstatements). That's reality, and it's far from meaningless.

I don't think anyone has suggested not shaking hands (or fist bumping) if the players come over. It would, however, be better if they didn't come over.

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by bainsey

It's only hyperbole when you don't mean what you say. I do.

And Snaqs, sometimes, we have to give a damn what people infer. Perhaps not in rule enforcement, but in the grand scheme of things, simply being nice and classy makes things smoother between us and the rest of the basketball world.

Hypocrisy is saying something you don't believe or act upon.

Hyperbole is making more of something than it is.

Saying that referees who dislike shaking hands with players are demonstrating poor sportsmanship is an exaggeration and therefore hyperbole.

Personally, I think it gives the impression of currying favor with the officials, not of sportsmanship.

Not everyone is going to take it the same way. (Which is also why you can't worry too much about how it appears to people because it will appear exactly opposite to two different people more times than not.)

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

Hyperbole is making more of something than it is.

...in something YOU say, not what someone else says.

For example, if I said, "that quarter took forever," that would be an example of hyperbole, because I said it. You can't apply it to what someone else says. ("Misrepresentation" could apply.) I meant what I said, therefore no hyperbole.

Personally, I think it gives the impression of currying favor with the officials, not of sportsmanship.

Are you saying we should be generally cynical and suspect of any player/coach that chooses to be nice? While some people indeed need an individual read on their level of trust, overall, I think we're far better off accepting handshakes/fist bumps as an act of respect, than to waste time wondering what their true motivation is (if any).

Someone once said here that part of our roles is that of a salesman. Salesmen need good interpersonal skills to thrive. They can help you get out of the inevitable damaging situations that will arise.

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by bainsey

...in something YOU say, not what someone else says.

For example, if I said, "that quarter took forever," that would be an example of hyperbole, because I said it. You can't apply it to what someone else says. ("Misrepresentation" could apply.) I meant what I said, therefore no hyperbole.


Are you saying we should be generally cynical and suspect of any player/coach that chooses to be nice? While some people indeed need an individual read on their level of trust, overall, I think we're far better off accepting handshakes/fist bumps as an act of respect, than to waste time wondering what their true motivation is (if any).

Someone once said here that part of our roles is that of a salesman. Salesmen need good interpersonal skills to thrive. They can help you get out of the inevitable damaging situations that will arise.

Just because you mean it doesn't mean it's not hyperbole.

It doesn't make me think they are currying favor. I think it causes the fans to think they are currying favor. It makes me think they are wasting time on a mostly meaningless gesture.