Good luck or not?

[RookieDude]

Originally Posted by Welpe

The last 30 seconds of a 7th Grade C game?

...now that's funny!

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Sigh, another ref who wishes we could wear an invisibility cloak.

Does Honig's carry those?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Does Honig's carry those?

Nope, Hogwarts Sports Supply.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

You know what they say about a stopped clock....

It gathers no moss?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by RookieDude

Hey Snaq's...have you ever heard an official comment on what is the WORST 15 minutes of basketball?

We have to do 20 minutes here in WI. Last night, the tallest player (girl's game) on the floor was 5'10".

I walked up to my partner and said, "You know, for every 3 games we work, that's 1 hour of our lives we'll never get back."

Fortunately for us both teams went in, so we did too for a few minutes until the teams came back out. Gave us a chance to discard the jackets and for me to get a bit more stretching in away from the eyes of the parents and fans.

[mj]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

We have to do 20 minutes here in WI. Last night, the tallest player (girl's game) on the floor was 5'10".

I walked up to my partner and said, "You know, for every 3 games we work, that's 1 hour of our lives we'll never get back."

Fortunately for us both teams went in, so we did too for a few minutes until the teams came back out. Gave us a chance to discard the jackets and for me to get a bit more stretching in away from the eyes of the parents and fans.

My partner and I talk about that all the time how much is wasted watching...nothing. When we first started doing JV the 5 minutes between the end of our game and the start of the varsity was valuable. We got to pick the varsity guy's brains on things that happened during our game etc. We also got to know them a little bit personally as well which goes along way.

[RookieDude]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

I walked up to my partner and said, "You know, for every 3 games we work, that's 1 hour of our lives we'll never get back."

LOL...that's good...mind if I borrow that?

On a side note: My partners and I were ready to go into the gym last night for a BV game... I had read, on this forum, where some officials tweet their whistles before entering the gym. I told my two partners about it...one said yeah go for it...the other said no, (with a red face). Well, I did it...Man, the whole gym got quiet and watched us as we walked in. It was kinda weird...I don't know if I'll do it again.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by RookieDude

Who said anything about "dissuading sportsmanship"?

Actions speak louder than words. If you prefer not to receive a handshake from a player, you're sending a message that sportsmanship isn't important to you. Interpersonal relations go a long way on the floor.

Respect? The coach probably MAKES them do the hand bump/shake...so they don't SEEM disrespectful, since almost every team does it now.

And why do coaches make the players do it? Because coaches are role models -- as are we -- and it's the right thing to teach the kids.

Hey, if you think you need a fist bump with the kids to show your "sportsmanship"...fine...but, to question ones lack of respect or approachability because they would prefer not to, is silly...IMHO.

Never said we "need" it; that's up to the players and coaches. I'm saying it's bad to discourage it. If a player wants to pay us some respect, accept it with a smile. If you prefer to be jaded, that could come back to haunt you later.

[RookieDude]

Originally Posted by bainsey

Actions speak louder than words

...suggesting a lack of interpersonal relations, the RIGHT thing to do, BAD to discourage it, jaded, it can haunt you...

I'm with Snaqs, once again...HPERBOLE at it's finest.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bainsey

Actions speak louder than words. If you prefer not to receive a handshake from a player, you're sending a message that sportsmanship isn't important to you. Interpersonal relations go a long way on the floor.



And why do coaches make the players do it? Because coaches are role models -- as are we -- and it's the right thing to teach the kids.



Never said we "need" it; that's up to the players and coaches. I'm saying it's bad to discourage it. If a player wants to pay us some respect, accept it with a smile. If you prefer to be jaded, that could come back to haunt you later.

Good grief. Don't mistake inference for implication.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by RookieDude

HPERBOLE [sic] at it's finest.

It's only hyperbole when you don't mean what you say. I do.

And Snaqs, sometimes, we have to give a damn what people infer. Perhaps not in rule enforcement, but in the grand scheme of things, simply being nice and classy makes things smoother between us and the rest of the basketball world.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bainsey

It's only hyperbole when you don't mean what you say. I do.

And Snaqs, sometimes, we have to give a damn what people infer. Perhaps not in rule enforcement, but in the grand scheme of things, simply being nice and classy makes things smoother between us and the rest of the basketball world.

It's hyperbole because you're making it say more than it does. You're reading way too much into his statements. Maybe "hysteria" would be a better word than hyperbole.

My point was, just because you infer something from what he said doesn't mean that's what he implied. It also doesn't mean others will infer it.

I tend to agree with Rut on this; people are making way too much of it. But that goes both ways. The state of player-official relations isn't going to change either way.

Call it what it is, a meaningless formality.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I tend to agree with Rut on this; people are making way too much of it. But that goes both ways. The state of player-official relations isn't going to change either way.

Call it what it is, a meaningless formality.

Whether we like it or not people will draw conclusions on what we do or do not do. Just like people will assume something if we shake the hand of a person that will be in the stands during the game and that person is wearing colors from one of the school. Or there are those that will draw conclusions if we put our arms around a player. Of course it is not hyperbole to say that everything will be affected by this one act, but someone will draw some conclusion one way or another. I just think it looks silly to deny a kid or coach a handshake when they come to you. I just think this is something we can avoid looking bad and aloof or unapproachable if you deny a kid that is shaking opponent’s hands and then come by you.

Peace

[AKOFL]

If people in my association put half as much effort into their rule book as you guys do in comming up with thoughts on a crazy hand shake/fist bump they would be pro by now. Not a big deal to me. that is a decision for the kids to make. As for my captains meeting, "Hi, my name is Toma, I'll be hear all night. Don't forget to tip your waitress and try the veal"

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by bainsey

It's only hyperbole when you don't mean what you say. I do.

And Snaqs, sometimes, we have to give a damn what people infer. Perhaps not in rule enforcement, but in the grand scheme of things, simply being nice and classy makes things smoother between us and the rest of the basketball world.

Hypocrisy is saying something you don't believe or act upon.

Hyperbole is making more of something than it is.

Saying that referees who dislike shaking hands with players are demonstrating poor sportsmanship is an exaggeration and therefore hyperbole.

Personally, I think it gives the impression of currying favor with the officials, not of sportsmanship.

Not everyone is going to take it the same way. (Which is also why you can't worry too much about how it appears to people because it will appear exactly opposite to two different people more times than not.)