Forfeit Video

[Cobra]

Intentional foul, 2 technical fouls, and forfeit.

[APG]

Where is game management during all this? A coach getting ejected and sticking around like that is bad news and game management or an assistant coach needs to be on top of this quick. I know CHSealge would be all over this stat!

Also, I'm not exactly sure what the 2nd T was for? Camera kind of pans up when the calling official whistles the 2nd T. It just looked weird when it came back and the T was issued while the coach had his back turned and I couldn't hear the coach. First T was definitely earned though.

The only problem I have with this is the pointing and gesturing by the official who issued the 2nd T. I don't mind giving the heave ho after the initial whistle but after I'm done. There's a point where the official is actually walking towards the irate coach and pointing towards the door! If I'm ejecting a coach, I'm getting away from him stat.

On a side note, gotta love our "unbiased" camera people at work haha

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

Where is game management during all this? A coach getting ejected and sticking around like that is bad news and game management or an assistant coach needs to be on top of this quick. I know CHSealge would be all over this stat!

Also, I'm not exactly sure what the 2nd T was for? Camera kind of pans up when the calling official whistles the 2nd T. It just looked weird when it came back and the T was issued while the coach had his back turned and I couldn't hear the coach. First T was definitely earned though.

The only problem I have with this is the pointing and gesturing by the official who issued the 2nd T. I don't mind giving the heave ho after the initial whistle but after I'm done. There's a point where the official is actually walking towards the irate coach and pointing towards the door! If I'm ejecting a coach, I'm getting away from him stat.

On a side note, gotta love our "unbiased" camera people at work haha

I heard someone yell that one of the teams had 6 players on the floor, & it sounds as if the coach yelled something he should not have.

Thank the coach for the forfeit as he made a travesty of himself & his team, hopefully that school/school district reprimanded him for his actions.

Concerning game management, I was asking myself the same question.

[APG]

Originally Posted by chseagle

I heard someone yell that one of the teams had 6 players on the floor, & it sounds as if the coach yelled something he should not have.

Thank the coach for the forfeit as he made a travesty of himself & his team, hopefully that school/school district reprimanded him for his actions.

Concerning game management, I was asking myself the same question.

I don't doubt he said/did something in addition. Just was weird since the camera panned away when we would of seen what got him the 2nd T. Again, I trust the officials judgement on the court. Also I only counted 5 players. If a 6th one came in, he probably was a sub at the table who mistakenly thought we was beckoned in.

This is an easy forfeit as the head coach failed to comply with the technical foul penalty.

[Camron Rust]

Perhaps the camera angle is poor but I don't see anything resembling an intentional foul in that video...even if it was an end-game situation where the fouling was "deliberate" through overplay. The ball handler got caught in a trap and was slinging the ball around when the defender tried to grab at it and perhaps got some arm....but also had a bunch of ball. He got slung around as the ball handler kept trying to keep the ball away from the defense. A foul, sure....but not intentional as far as I can see.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Perhaps the camera angle is poor but I don't see anything resembling an intentional foul in that video...even if it was an end-game situation where the fouling was "deliberate" through overplay. The ball handler got caught in a trap and was slinging the ball around when the defender tried to grab at it and perhaps got some arm....but also had a bunch of ball. He got slung around as the ball handler kept trying to keep the ball away from the defense. A foul, sure....but not intentional as far as I can see.

The intentional, from what I noticed, was from white 22 bearhugging the ball handler.

[Cobra]

#20 is fouled. #23 is in the bottom right of the video when the foul occurs.

#20 is set to take the free throws, all other players behind the 3 point line, when the first technical foul is called. #23 then switches places with #20. #23 is in the free throw semicircle after the 2nd technical foul and is still there when the game is forfeited. I wonder if the officials noticed.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Cobra

#20 is fouled. #23 is in the bottom right of the video when the foul occurs.

#20 is set to take the free throws, all other players behind the 3 point line, when the first technical foul is called. #23 then switches places with #20. #23 is in the free throw semicircle after the 2nd technical foul and is still there when the game is forfeited. I wonder if the officials noticed.

Hmmm..... deliberately sending the wrong FTer carries a penalty. One could interpret that #23, who went to the line on his own accord, didn't know that the penalties are administered in the order they occur. This is likely because in the NBE, I believe, that the T's are shot at POI. And likely they watch more NBE than have situations like this in their Fed games.

[fullor30]

In opening sequence when ball is inbounded opposite table, C is almost in back court??? Trail is deeper than he is? Looks like trail is motioning him to get to C. Notice play in question, you have two leads.

Personally, I didnt see anything to warrant an intentional foul. Hard to see on tape.

[jophyal]

noone sees any problem with offensive player having elbows above shoulders and doing a 360 while flailing them? just askin...

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by fullor30

In opening sequence when ball is inbounded opposite table, C is almost in back court??? Trail is deeper than he is? Looks like trail is motioning him to get to C. Notice play in question, you have two leads.

Personally, I didnt see anything to warrant an intentional foul. Hard to see on tape.

The C likely hung back in case the DL was threatened. I have no problem with the mechanic, although it wasn't needed as there was no pressure on the throw-in. I do think he should have migrated to the slot quicker.

[APG]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Perhaps the camera angle is poor but I don't see anything resembling an intentional foul in that video...even if it was an end-game situation where the fouling was "deliberate" through overplay. The ball handler got caught in a trap and was slinging the ball around when the defender tried to grab at it and perhaps got some arm....but also had a bunch of ball. He got slung around as the ball handler kept trying to keep the ball away from the defense. A foul, sure....but not intentional as far as I can see.

I was a bit curious too, but I chalk it up to a bad angle though the calling official could of come out stronger with his preliminary signal. There's no way a coach should be confused about what was called on a play like an intentional foul IMO.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Perhaps the camera angle is poor but I don't see anything resembling an intentional foul in that video...even if it was an end-game situation where the fouling was "deliberate" through overplay. The ball handler got caught in a trap and was slinging the ball around when the defender tried to grab at it and perhaps got some arm....but also had a bunch of ball. He got slung around as the ball handler kept trying to keep the ball away from the defense. A foul, sure....but not intentional as far as I can see.

That's what I was thinking.

And if there is going to be an X on the play, one has to come up with that soon after the whistle. Iow, don't surprise everyone with an X at the table. That's just mho.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

That's what I was thinking.

And if there is going to be an X on the play, one has to come up with that soon after the whistle. Iow, don't surprise everyone with an X at the table. That's just mho.

The new trail did come up with the X immediately.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

That's what I was thinking.

And if there is going to be an X on the play, one has to come up with that soon after the whistle. Iow, don't surprise everyone with an X at the table. That's just mho.

Just saw it after seeing it again. I also saw the L having a much earlier whistler and foul call.