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Old Sat Jan 15, 2011, 01:20pm
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Defensive matchup

Last night, Team A substituted for all 5 players on the floor. Team B's coach requested a defensive matchup.

I've never had this before, and wasn't sure of the mechanic. I just waited to inbound the ball until Team B seemed like they knew who they were guarding.

Is there any prescribed mechanic for this?
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Old Sat Jan 15, 2011, 01:24pm
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Not that I'm aware of; just give them a moment to figure it out.
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Old Sat Jan 15, 2011, 02:03pm
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Last night, Team A substituted for all 5 players on the floor. Team B's coach requested a defensive matchup.

I've never had this before, and wasn't sure of the mechanic. I just waited to inbound the ball until Team B seemed like they knew who they were guarding.

Is there any prescribed mechanic for this?

In the Ancient Days (), both the NBCUSC (and then the NFHS and NCAA) Rules Books had a Comment or Note in Rule 3, stating that when a team entered three substitutes or more, that the Captain of either team could request a Jump Ball (I seem to remember that the Comment/Note used the term Jump Ball) line-up so that his team could match up his players against his opponents players. A few (it may be more) years ago that Comment/Note was deleted from the Rules Books without any Editorial Comment. It is my opinion based upon eons of studying of the rules, that the mere deletion of the Comment/Note from the Rules, at least in this case, does not mean the request cannot be granted. I would have such a Captian's request a couple of times a year in the Ancient Days. I have had the request made a couple of times since the CommentNote was deleted from the Rules, and I have always granted the request. It only takes a few secones, actually about ten seconds and really does not slow down the game.

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Old Sat Jan 15, 2011, 03:37pm
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In the Ancient Days (), both the NBCUSC (and then the NFHS and NCAA) Rules Books had a Comment or Note in Rule 3, stating that when a team entered three substitutes or more, that the Captain of either team could request a Jump Ball (I seem to remember that the Comment/Note used the term Jump Ball) line-up so that his team could match up his players against his opponents players. A few (it may be more) years ago that Comment/Note was deleted from the Rules Books without any Editorial Comment. It is my opinion based upon eons of studying of the rules, that the mere deletion of the Comment/Note from the Rules, at least in this case, does not mean the request cannot be granted. I would have such a Captian's request a couple of times a year in the Ancient Days. I have had the request made a couple of times since the CommentNote was deleted from the Rules, and I have always granted the request. It only takes a few secones, actually about ten seconds and really does not slow down the game.

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Footnote 1: NBCUSC is the National Basketball Committee for the United States and Canada and is the now defunct organization that begat, through asexual reproduction, the NFHS and NCAA Rules Committees.
It is my opinion based on reading the rule book that it's still IN the rulebook under NFHS rule 3-3-1(e) and has been for years. You'd better grant the request.

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Old Sat Jan 15, 2011, 09:43pm
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It is my opinion based on reading the rule book that it's still IN the rulebook under NFHS rule 3-3-1(e) and has been for years. You'd better grant the request.

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I was replying off of the top of my head because there is no hair up there anymore to stop anything I say. I do believe that the Comment/Note was deleted for a couple of years before NFHS R3-S3-A1(e) was put back in the book.

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Team B's coach requested a defensive matchup.
No books handy, but doesn't the defensive match-up have to be requested by a captain?
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No books handy, but doesn't the defensive match-up have to be requested by a captain?
That's what the book says, but are you really going to deny a coach's request for this?
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Old Sun Jan 16, 2011, 12:27am
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It is my opinion based on reading the rule book that it's still IN the rulebook under NFHS rule 3-3-1(e) and has been for years. You'd better grant the request.
It was mysteriously deleted and then just as mysteriously put back in. Every time I see a line change waiting at the table, I wonder if the coach will ask for this option (knowing he won't).
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Every time I see a line change waiting at the table, I wonder if the coach will ask for this option (knowing he won't).
They typically jump in when the puck is dumped into the offensive zone.

Oh wait...
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They typically jump in when the puck is dumped into the offensive zone.

Oh wait...
We ended a juco women's game last week with a 5-on-4 power play. One team had 5 players, the other 6 to start the game. The team with 5 realized they couldn't be really aggressive and ceded baskets when they would've most certainly fouled. The team with 6 fouled out 2 players, had 2 others with 4 fouls, and lost by 20.
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A game last year...

Team B brings in 5 subs... he asks the Team A coach, "do you want a defensive matchup?"

She says, "What's that?" He explains.

For the rest of the game... "can I get a matchup? can I get a matchup?" on just about every substitution.
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Only a plumber would ask a coach, "Do you want a defensive matchup?"
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It was mysteriously deleted and then just as mysteriously put back in.
Another tear in the space-time continuum.
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Team B brings in 5 subs... he asks the Team A coach, "do you want a defensive matchup?"

She says, "What's that?" He explains.

For the rest of the game... "can I get a matchup? can I get a matchup?" on just about every substitution.
Why in the world would you ask him this?
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