Table Official Off His Game That Night

[SCalScoreKeeper]

Wanja,
Why are high school students handling the scoreboard/clock for a varsity game? Here that would be unacceptable but it would be perfectly acceptable to have a student do the book in a varsity game. My preference would be for CIF-SS (our governing body) to expand the mandatory "adults run the table" rule for playoffs and have it govern all regular season games.This happens at every school in our new league except two.Consequence for violation would be just like the violation of our official ball contracts for playoffs-loss of the next available home date (if eliminated/team misses postseason penalty carries to next year).
AD's need to make sure that they are giving their kids the best possible experience from hiring good qualified coaches to giving them solid, qualified table personnel.If 50 schools are having some problems with their crews it may be time to email each of the 50 AD's and offer some kind of remedial instruction for those schools with your area's instructional chair.Either that or report them to your state association for them to deal with.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by SCalScoreKeeper

Wanja,
Why are high school students handling the scoreboard/clock for a varsity game? Here that would be unacceptable but it would be perfectly acceptable to have a student do the book in a varsity game. My preference would be for CIF-SS (our governing body) to expand the mandatory "adults run the table" rule for playoffs and have it govern all regular season games.This happens at every school in our new league except two.Consequence for violation would be just like the violation of our official ball contracts for playoffs-loss of the next available home date (if eliminated/team misses postseason penalty carries to next year).
AD's need to make sure that they are giving their kids the best possible experience from hiring good qualified coaches to giving them solid, qualified table personnel.If 50 schools are having some problems with their crews it may be time to email each of the 50 AD's and offer some kind of remedial instruction for those schools with your area's instructional chair.Either that or report them to your state association for them to deal with.

+1

Why not make things easier & mandate that all table crews (no matter the level) must be adults?

[SCalScoreKeeper]

I have no problems with student score keepers at the lower levels as long as they know exactly what they are doing! My JV scorekeepers know exactly what they are doing because I teach them myself certain things they must do to maintain game flow and control. I would not have a problem asking one of these students to handle a varsity game if I were ever unable to.

Wanja-If table ops are such an issue in your area why don't you and your brethren solve the problem by issuing table ratings.Here are some categories I would rate on:

A.All members of the crew (Scorekeeper,Scoreboard/Clock Operator,and Shot Clock operator-Where applicable) were present when R assumed control of the game. Y-2/3 Points N-0 Points

B.All members of the crew had their cell phones put away for the duration of this contest. Y-2/3 Points N-0 Points

C.Official scorekeeper made contact with reporting official on all fouls.
Y-1 Point N-0 Points

D.Official scorekeeper communicated effectively with officials on the floor regarding bonus,timeouts remaining,and disqualifications.
Y-1 Point N-0 Points

E.Official scorekeeper communicated with visiting scorekeeper.
Y-1 Point N-0 Points

E.Scoreboard Operator was prompt on stopping the clock with official's whistle. Y-1 Point N-0 Points

F.Scoreboard Operator was prompt in adding points after made baskets and waited until foul was reported to change team foul count. Y-2 Points N-0 Points

Where Applicable:
G.Shot Clock Operator promptly started/stopped the clock on officials whistle/signal.
Y-1 Point N-0 Points

H.Shot Clock Operator reset the clock at appropriate times.
Y-1 Point N-0 Points

Total Score:

Scale:
12/14-10:Would love to have this crew working everywhere I go.
9-6:This is a good solid crew that needed minor instruction.
5 and below:E-mail your assignor immediately!This crew should not work at any level of HS basketball.School must replace crew in order to keep the services of this association.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by SCalScoreKeeper

I have no problems with student score keepers at the lower levels as long as they know exactly what they are doing! My JV scorekeepers know exactly what they are doing because I teach them myself certain things they must do to maintain game flow and control. I would not have a problem asking one of these students to handle a varsity game if I were ever unable to.

Wanja-If table ops are such an issue in your area why don't you and your brethren solve the problem by issuing table ratings.Here are some categories I would rate on:

A.All members of the crew (Scorekeeper,Scoreboard/Clock Operator,and Shot Clock operator-Where applicable) were present when R assumed control of the game. Y-2/3 Points N-0 Points

B.All members of the crew had their cell phones put away for the duration of this contest. Y-2/3 Points N-0 Points

C.Official scorekeeper made contact with reporting official on all fouls.
Y-1 Point N-0 Points

D.Official scorekeeper communicated effectively with officials on the floor regarding bonus,timeouts remaining,and disqualifications.
Y-1 Point N-0 Points

E.Official scorekeeper communicated with visiting scorekeeper.
Y-1 Point N-0 Points

E.Scoreboard Operator was prompt on stopping the clock with official's whistle. Y-1 Point N-0 Points

F.Scoreboard Operator was prompt in adding points after made baskets and waited until foul was reported to change team foul count. Y-2 Points N-0 Points

Where Applicable:
G.Shot Clock Operator promptly started/stopped the clock on officials whistle/signal.
Y-1 Point N-0 Points

H.Shot Clock Operator reset the clock at appropriate times.
Y-1 Point N-0 Points

Total Score:

Scale:
12/14-10:Would love to have this crew working everywhere I go.
9-6:This is a good solid crew that needed minor instruction.
5 and below:E-mail your assignor immediately!This crew should not work at any level of HS basketball.School must replace crew in order to keep the services of this association.

Ok, let's make this list mandatory throughout the land, this way all those that work table crew & ADs know what needs to be worked on.

Of course, this does raise the question of how many ADs follow what is written in the 2009-2011 NFHS Basketball Officials Manual Appendix 4.