Table Official Off His Game That Night

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

That's a stupid reason. IMO of course.

I was trying to think of other reasons but my mind went blank

[SCalScoreKeeper]

Chseagle,
We use the same book.When I cross out the team foul I record the player's number right next to it as a secondary check.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by SCalScoreKeeper

Chseagle,
We use the same book.When I cross out the team foul I record the player's number right next to it as a secondary check.

O ok an additional statistic to see who fouls when, depending on the team foul count.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by chseagle

I was trying to think of other reasons but my mind went blank

I honestly can't think of any good reasons to make the change. I can't think of any reasons not to, either.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by chseagle

I was trying to think of other reasons but my mind went blank

If you can't think of a reason, then why would you suggest the change?

I don't think your mind WENT blank, I think it's nearly always that way.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

If you can't think of a reason, then why would you suggest the change?

I don't think your mind WENT blank, I think it's nearly always that way.

If my mind was ALWAYS blank, wouldn't I be a vegetable?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by chseagle

If my mind was ALWAYS blank, wouldn't I be a vegetable?

It's like stomping a puppy.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by chseagle

If my mind was ALWAYS blank, wouldn't I be a vegetable?

I dunno. Does Mrs. Chseagle water you twice a week?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by chseagle

No, but I do water her at least 2x a week

OTOH If I were a vegetable I'd be forever stuck in a hospital, & wouldn't do anything at games.

Or on message boards. One can only hope.

[wanja]

Bookkepping mistakes are a huge concern in one area that I work where high school students are handling the book and the clock in varsity games. I've been burnt more than once even after admonishing the two bookkeepers to work together, keep in synch and periodically checking with the table for fouls.

This post got me thinking again about this. In situations where I know there is a potential problem, I'm resolved going forward to:



1. during pre-game with partner(s), emphasize regularly checking and confirming fouls, score and arrow

2. during table pre-game, emphatically instruct the bookkeepers and timer to confirm totals after every foul and score

3. during pre-game coaches meeting, advise coaches to look out for and report any clock/book issues at the earliest appropriate opportunity

4. check foul totals during reporting of each foul and periodically confirm with partner(s)

5. at half time, confirm total and player score , arrow individual and team foul totals


Any other thoughts? I may put together a more formal list and share it with other officials. As I said, its a huge issue, and I join a long list of officials who have been burnt by the table.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by wanja

Any other thoughts? I may put together a more formal list and share it with other officials. As I said, its a huge issue, and I join a long list of officials who have been burnt by the table.

If it's a huge issue, we should be going to that school's AD to get the problem fixed. It's the school's responsibility to supply competent table personnel. We as officials have enough to do now without getting into that area.

Cure the disease, not the symptoms.

[wanja]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

If it's a huge issue, we should be going to that school's AD to get the problem fixed. It's the school's responsibility to supply competent table personnel. We as officials have enough to do now without getting into that area.

Cure the disease, not the symptoms.

Unfortunately, not getting into that area is a luxury that I can't afford. by all means I'll pursue the issue with ADS and above. but once I'm on a game, as an official the table is my concern and can ruin a game if it is not properly managed by the officials.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by wanja

Bookkepping mistakes are a huge concern in one area that I work where high school students are handling the book and the clock in varsity games. I've been burnt more than once even after admonishing the two bookkeepers to work together, keep in synch and periodically checking with the table for fouls.

This post got me thinking again about this. In situations where I know there is a potential problem, I'm resolved going forward to:



1. during pre-game with partner(s), emphasize regularly checking and confirming fouls, score and arrow

2. during table pre-game, emphatically instruct the bookkeepers and timer to confirm totals after every foul and score

3. during pre-game coaches meeting, advise coaches to look out for and report any clock/book issues at the earliest appropriate opportunity

4. check foul totals during reporting of each foul and periodically confirm with partner(s)

5. at half time, confirm total and player score , arrow individual and team foul totals


Any other thoughts? I may put together a more formal list and share it with other officials. As I said, its a huge issue, and I join a long list of officials who have been burnt by the table.

How about pgs. 83-85 of the 2009-2011 NFHS Basketball Officials Manual as that deals with the selecting of table personnel?

Making a suggestion to the AD that he/she reads this.

[SCalScoreKeeper]

Wanja,
Why are high school students handling the scoreboard/clock for a varsity game? Here that would be unacceptable but it would be perfectly acceptable to have a student do the book in a varsity game. My preference would be for CIF-SS (our governing body) to expand the mandatory "adults run the table" rule for playoffs and have it govern all regular season games.This happens at every school in our new league except two.Consequence for violation would be just like the violation of our official ball contracts for playoffs-loss of the next available home date (if eliminated/team misses postseason penalty carries to next year).
AD's need to make sure that they are giving their kids the best possible experience from hiring good qualified coaches to giving them solid, qualified table personnel.If 50 schools are having some problems with their crews it may be time to email each of the 50 AD's and offer some kind of remedial instruction for those schools with your area's instructional chair.Either that or report them to your state association for them to deal with.

[CHSLadyEagle]

Remind me not to bring Krispy Kremes home for you from the next rabbit show which involves driving past one. :P I water him at least 2x times a day, but not after Midnight. I don't want him to turn into a Gremlin.