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[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Grin.

You just can't make something like this up, folks.

And I ain't gonna argue with him either.

I'm just wondering why Cobra won't address the correlation between the original argument and the play I put out there about a Tech on the defense's coach during a fast break.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I'm just wondering why Cobra won't address the correlation between the original argument and the play I put out there about a Tech on the defense's coach during a fast break.

I have to agree with his take, if you call a T on the offense for something they did right before the shooter releases his shot. The shot doesn't count, even if your whistle doesn't sound until the shot is in the air. Same as if A2 is called for an TC foul just prior to the shot.

As Camron noted, the case play is clear on what to do if the defensive coach (or player) pops off here. When I thought JR was discussing Camron's T on team B, I asked this very same question.

[Cobra]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I'm just wondering why Cobra won't address the correlation between the original argument and the play I put out there about a Tech on the defense's coach during a fast break.

Because it has already been addressed by other posters. There are a couple situations where things which are normally fouls or violations but do not cause the ball to become dead. This play is one. Another the same type of play with someone on the defense running out of bounds to get a violation called. Defensive player sticking his arm though the throw in plane while the clock is running with the hopes of getting the violation called so the clock would stop.

There is no correlation between any of those plays and the play which is being discussed. Those are specific exemptions to when the ball becomes dead. I don't know why you don't understand that.

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Grin.

You just can't make something like this up, folks.

And I ain't gonna argue with him either.

Unless you are directly quoting the rule book on when a ball becomes dead.

If I am so wrong can you please explain and cite rules to when the ball becomes dead in that situation?

If you aren't going to argue with me why are you quoting a post I made quite some time ago....a post that you already quoted and replied to? Seems like you want to argue.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Cobra

Because it has already been addressed by other posters. There are a couple situations where things which are normally fouls or violations but do not cause the ball to become dead. This play is one. Another the same type of play with someone on the defense running out of bounds to get a violation called. Defensive player sticking his arm though the throw in plane while the clock is running with the hopes of getting the violation called so the clock would stop.

There is no correlation between any of those plays and the play which is being discussed. Those are specific exemptions to when the ball becomes dead. I don't know why you don't understand that.
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There is also a specific exemption for when you can wipe out points that were scored after a botched throw-in. The specific play being discussed doesn't meet that exemption. Your desired administration of the play is only valid when you start making up your own variables to change what actually occurred.

[just another ref]

Well, it happened to me tonight.....sorta. White deflects the pass out of bounds. Blue ball. Game is a BIG blowout, so it's fair to say we had all relaxed.
White 21 steps out of bounds. I hand him the ball. White 10 breaks to his basket, all alone. 21 lays the pass out in front of him, and I hit the whistle while the ball is in the air. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. I give the ball back to blue without incident. Two things occur to me. I find it even harder to imagine giving a T in this situation for perceived deception. It took cooperation from both the blue team and me to pull off the trick. Even if I'm positive it was intentional, I would truly hate to call further attention to my own screw up.
Second, I think this is a prime candidate for a rule change. Let this be correctable until there is a change of possession.