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[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

All true, but at that point, the 3-pointer in question hasn't even been attempted yet. Sure you can't change anything (relative to that throwin), but it doesn't say you can't call something else. If you're going to call an unsporting T for the team deliberately pulling such a stunt, the team will be shooting such a dead ball. This sort of deception and trickery is, without a doubt, unsportsmanlike and is quite different than a player from team B believing it was their ball. It is no different than the barking dog play antics that the NFHS has clearly indicated is not in the spirit of the game.

If you call an unsporting "T" before the 3-point attempt is made, of course you can disallow the 3-pointer by rule. The ball was dead on the whistle for the "T". However, you have no rules justication that I know of that will let you disallow the 3-pointer after it was made.

[26 Year Gap]

Wonder what would have happened if Resumption of Play procedure had been used? Could a T have been issued when V coach said it was too late for the DOG violation/technical for reaching through the plane and touching the ball? Just playing Agitator's Advocate here.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

If you call an unsporting "T" before the 3-point attempt is made, of course you can disallow the 3-pointer by rule. The ball was dead on the whistle for the "T". However, you have no rules justication that I know of that will let you disallow the 3-pointer after it was made.

As you know, the whistle rarely makes the ball dead. It is just an indication that the ball is dead and has been since the point of the infraction. A late whistle doesn't change that fact.

The point at which I think about whether the situation should or should not be a T will be the point the ball became dead, not when I finally put air in the whistle.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

As you know, the whistle rarely makes the ball dead. It is just an indication that the ball is dead and has been since the point of the infraction. A late whistle doesn't change that fact.

The point at which I think about whether the situation should or should not be a T will be the point the ball became dead, not when I finally put air in the whistle.

You have no rules justification for that statement that I'm aware of. The ball is not dead either when you decide a "T" should be called or when you blow your whistle IF a shot is already in the air. That's NFHS rule 6-7-5 + EXCEPTION a.

If you haven't decided to call the "T" or had not blown your whistle before the ball left the shooter's hands on the 3-point attempt, you have no rules justication that I know of to then cancel the 3-point basket if it goes. The ball is live until the try is made or missed.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

You have no rules justification for that statement that I'm aware of. The ball is not dead either when you decide a "T" should be called or when you blow your whistle IF a shot is already in the air. That's NFHS rule 6-7-5 + EXCEPTION a.

If you haven't decided to call the "T" or had not blown your whistle before the ball left the shooter's hands on the 3-point attempt, you have no rules justication that I know of to then cancel the 3-point basket if it goes. The ball is live until the try is made or missed.

No one said the ball was already in the air.

SECTION 7 DEAD BALL
The ball becomes dead, or remains dead, when:
ART. 7 . . . A foul (other than player-control) occurs (see exception below)

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The whistle only makes the ball dead when it is not preceded by something that already made it dead.

The point of the infraction is what matters, not when the official decides to blow the whistle or actually blows the whistle.