Coach on the court

[SWMOzebra]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

The coach is always considered beckoned when a player is injured. Period.

+1

Assessing a T here is asking for nothing but trouble. Unless, of course, he's screaming at you for some reason ... then you'll need to deal with him.

[Indianaref]

Originally Posted by Ptflea2

Had this happen to me over the holiday's in a girls JV game:

Late in the second half with the visiting team getting beat pretty bad (35+ running clock in effect), a girl from said visiting team runs in and jumps for a rebound, but collides with her teammate and lands hard on her backside. She starts screaming and crying in pain. Home team gets the rebound, but before they continue up court, I blow the whistle to stop play because of the injury. But before I have a second to look up, visiting coach is running from the bench across the court in a panic. "Are you OK Sara????!!!!!" he say's. Girl slowly gets up, drys her tears and the whole gym claps for her as she is replaced with a sub.

We play the final five minutes, no problems, but then my partner asks me as we are walking to the locker room why I didn't give the visiting coach a T for coming onto the floor without beckoning him? Actually, at the time, I don't think it even crossed my mind to give the coach a T. But my reply to my partner was "game management" and "team was down by 35, why T him up and make it worse." My partner didn't really like the answer, stating our job is to enforce the rules of the game, all the rules, not just the ones we liked or felt managed the game to our liking.

I'm not the arguing type, but I told him, "well if you felt so strongly about what happened why didn't you call the T?" I don't think he liked that answer either

Anyway, my question is did I do the right thing? Looking at the rules book, I found 10-4 and the note it makes under art. 5. Anywhere else I should be looking in the book?

I still feel this was a good case of game management, but would like to hear other opinions on the matter.

I don't know if he is your reg partner or not, doesn't really matter, but I would forward him this thread so that maybe he could benefit from it. If he takes offence then you know that this is not a partner you would want to work with again.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I thought Nevadaref was in Reno? Oh well.

Let me add this; the rule says the coach has to be beckoned. It does not say the following:
1. How "beckoned" is defined.
2. He has to be beckoned before he comes out.
3. A rules stickler could still wave the coach on as he's running and feel fine.

IOW, there's nothing even in the black and white rules that says a T has to be given here.

Ha Ha! beat me to it!

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I thought Nevadaref was in Reno? Oh well.

I was going to start my post with "Paging Nevada...."

To clarify -- I was talking about a dead ball situation. Unless the player is in serious, serious trouble, I would expect a coach to wait for a whistle.

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by CMHCoachNRef

This depends on the age and level of the players. For the younger kids games (more often in soccer, but occasionally in basketball), I actually go with a more positive statement. After analyzing what happened, if I don't think that there is an injury, but more of a player either hearing the parents' reaction or perhaps acting momentarily startled, I will make a simple statement. "You sure are tough, you look like you can still play. Do you want to stay in?" Nine times out of ten, the answer is either a nod or a soft "yes." Asking the real youngins usually leads to tears and being replaced.

On the other hand, in high school-aged games, I will typically wave the coach OFF the court/field until I have had a chance to ask the very question that you posed, grunewar. This gives the player a chance to be able to stay in the game.

If the coach insists on coming out, I insist on player removal per the rules. Once again, in the younger age groups I strongly encourage the coaches to wait for my signal -- in the event of a possible "real" injury, I am stopping the play quickly and beckoning the coach.

My association has instructed us to immediately beckon the coach anytime we think there might be an injury. We are specifically instructed not to approach the player and ask if they can play.

I think it's a bit of an extreme position but when in Rome.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

My association has instructed us to immediately beckon the coach anytime we think there might be an injury. We are specifically instructed not to approach the player and ask if they can play.

I think it's a bit of an extreme position but when in Rome.

Really? Wow. I almost always ask the question before beckoning the coach.

Is that your association's response to the new concussed player rule?

I would think you'd have some upset coaches if this happens towards the end of some close games.

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Really? Wow. I almost always ask the question before beckoning the coach.

Is that your association's response to the new concussed player rule?

I would think you'd have some upset coaches if this happens towards the end of some close games.

It's my first year with this association so I'm not sure if it's new or they've always done it that way. It does make it difficult to notice apparent signs of a concussion though and I've felt a bit of a "see no evil" mindset on the issue.