Time out

[TheBest]

A1 has ball ; B1 grabs ball (held) can either coach ask for a time out (Ref has not made a call yet).

[Bad Zebra]

Sure. Either coach can request a time out. The issue is whether it should be granted. Is there player control at this point? That would be the key to the answer to your question.

[BillyMac]

Sounds like both A1 and B1 have player control. Does that mean that either coach, or a player on either team, can request and be granted a timeout? Or does it mean that the official should call a held ball, even if opponents do not have their hands so firmly on the ball that control cannot be obtained without undue roughness?

[Scratch85]

4-25-1 A held ball occurs when opponents have their hands so firmly on the ball that control cannot be obtained without undue roughness


No control, no TO.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by TheBest

A1 has ball ; B1 grabs ball (held) can either coach ask for a time out (Ref has not made a call yet).

A1 has the ball, so Team A has team control.

Until the held ball is whistled, Team A can request a timeout.

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra

Sure. Either coach can request a time out.

Actually, both can't. Team A has team control. Team control doesn't end until the ball is dead, there's a shot or Team B gains player/team control. In this play, there's never player/team control by Team B

Originally Posted by Scratch85

4-25-1 A held ball occurs when opponents have their hands so firmly on the ball that control cannot be obtained without undue roughness

No control, no TO.

The rule is addressing control of the ball, not team or player control.

Team A has player/team control and can request a timeout prior to a held ball being declared.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Actually, both can't. Team A has team control. Team control doesn't end until the ball is dead, there's a shot or Team B gains player/team control. In this play, there's never player/team control by Team B

Are you sure about that? Isn't the underlying point of a held ball that team A and team B both have control? The player from team B IS holding the ball....which fits the requirements for establishing team control...yet team A hasn't lost control since they're still holding it. If that were not the case, we'd never have a held ball.