Subs with multiple fouls

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

The ruling tells us what the player CAN do. "pass, shoot, dribble or call a timeout...If flat on his/her back, A1 may sit up."

Nowhere does it tell us he can roll over on his side. Wonder why that is?

It's real simple...it's just not there.

It's not in the rule. It's in the case play.

Are you really saying a player either laying flat or sitting can't roll to the side while making a pass?

We disagree. Shrug.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

It's not in the rule. It's in the case play.

Are you really saying a player either laying flat or sitting can't roll to the side while making a pass?

We disagree. Shrug.

If they roll all the way onto their side with the ball, no, that is "rolling over" and the case play supports that interpretation by excluding that action from the list of permissible actions.

If they rock towards the side in the motion of passing the ball....no violation.

Sort of like a standing player taking a step forward with their pivot foot that would be a travel if had they not just released the ball before the foot came back down.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

If they roll all the way onto their side with the ball, no, that is "rolling over" and the case play supports that interpretation by excluding that action from the list of permissible actions.

And there's where we disagree. I say that it is a roll but it is not a roll over. And I also say the case play supports that with it's usage of the word "over".

Who's right?

We can argue forever but until we get a definitive interpretation from the FED, who knows? Until then we're just going around in circles.

JMO....obviously.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

And there's where we disagree. I say that it is a roll but it is not a roll over.

Makes no difference.

The point is the case play tells us what is legally allowed and "roll" is NOT listed. Pass, shoot, dribble, call timeout or sit up. Those are the ONLY legal actions listed. I don't see how you can disagree with that when it's printed in black and white. :shrug:

But I'll leave you along now. Have yourself a Merry Little Christmas!

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Makes no difference.

Does too!

But don't sit up all night worrying about it. Or sit up all night worrying about me worrying about it. Or......

[BktBallRef]

I was in bed by 10:30 pm.

And I wasn't up at 6:30 am posting either...only old people do that!

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

I was in bed by 10:30 pm.

And I wasn't up at 6:30 am posting either...only old people do that!

Maybe he was posting from his phone while waiting for his lunch to be served at Denny's.

Jeff, I'm certainly not up worrying about this. I personally find these esoteric discussions useful but maybe that's just me.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

And I wasn't up at 6:30 am posting either...only old people do that!

That's because us old people sleep like babies. We wake up crying every two hours and have to go to the bathroom.