NCAA Record broken

[CHSLadyEagle]

I hope I helped clarified the info concerning BYU-Ricks (um...Idaho) athletics. I was greatly opposed to them doing away with athletics & reducing it to intramural, especially with it being a feeder for BYU & BYU-Hawaii athletics, as well at Utah State, Boise State, and University of Utah who benefited from BYU-I athletics transfers. The last year of athletics the Football team did win the Real Dairy Bowl, as they were a perennial powerhouse. LDS Business College once had athletics, not to mention a very good basketball program w/ many undefeated seasons, but their sports program was chopped in the 50s/60s. I attended there a few semesters to keep up w/ my studies when I went to Salt Lake to work for a while. The campus has also moved from 400 East & South Temple to the old Triad Center (former KSL studios), west of Temple Square. BYU-Salt Lake is basically evening classes only & holds their classes in LDSBC's campus. There's a little know BYU campus in the South Pacific that has a athletic program too. There's also Southern Virginia University, not church owned, but owned by LDS Businessmen & ran like BYU and it's other campuses. They are a Division 2 school, but have done well in sports. They are often nicknamed BYU-East. I know they have Basketball, Soccer, and Cross Country programs, but can't remember all sports programs they have. A few years back, 2 girls from Connell HS played Soccer for them. BYU has 1 Girls Basketball player & 2-3 for Football from Connell.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by chseagle

I added a bit more to my comments as my wife (CHSLadyEagle) was a student there during the transitional period. She filled in some of the blanks I missed.

Several were of discord over the name change to BYU-Idaho, as they were wanting it changed to BYU-Ricks. My wife was one of them protesting the name change.

She'd rather it be called BYU-Ricks or Ricks University with regular athletics participating in either NCAA Div. II or III Athletics. Looking at current enrollment BYU-Idaho could participate in NCAA Div. I-AA Athletics.

All good, except BYU-I doesn't participate in intercollegiate athletics with the NCAA or NAIA at all.

And the size of the school has little to do with whether a school participates as a D1, D2, or D3 school. It is quite unlike HS sports. It is more based on the number of sports they participate in and the number of scholarships they give out.

[Camron Rust]

Wasn't it UConn who "rigged" the start of the game in cooperation with the other team to let a player score two points to break a scoring record?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Wasn't it UConn who "rigged" the start of the game in cooperation with the other team to let a player score two points to break a scoring record?

Yes. It was Nykesha Sales. Against Villanova. Now she's third on the all time list. A black eye for Connecticut.

[Jurassic Referee]

Upon further review....

The NCAA did NOT sponsor womans basketball as a sport during the 1950's. Does that mean that any records set by universities playing major college womans university basketball games during that period just didn't happen? At that time, Wayland Baptist University won 131 consecutive womans basketball games at the major college level. That should be the recognized major college womens basketball record for consecutive wins, not the crappy l'il 89 game streak of UConn's.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winning_streak_(sports)

In the immortal words of the late and great philosopher, BillyMac...I'm mad as hell and I'm just not going to take this anymore."

[26 Year Gap]

I've got a question. Do they use the same basketball? Or is there a difference?

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap

I've got a question. Do they use the same basketball? Or is there a difference?

I've got a couple of questions.

Do they use the same baseball now as they did when Babe Ruth played? Or is there a difference?

Do they use the same golf equipment now as when Hogan and Snead played? Or is there a difference?

When the Babe played, did he use the same equipment as his competitors? When Tiger plays, does he use the same equipment as his competitors? When UConn won their games, did they use the exact same basketball as their competitors?

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

I've got a couple of questions.

Do they use the same baseball now as they did when Babe Ruth played? Or is there a difference?

Do they use the same golf equipment now as when Hogan and Snead played? Or is there a difference?

When the Babe played, did he use the same equipment as his competitors? When Tiger plays, does he use the same equipment as his competitors? When UConn won their games, did they use the exact same basketball as their competitors?

Has the size of the ball varied in your examples?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

Do they use the same baseball now as they did when Babe Ruth played?

No, they lost it. It was getting awful dirty anyway.

[BBrules]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Upon further review....

The NCAA did NOT sponsor womans basketball as a sport during the 1950's. Does that mean that any records set by universities playing major college womans university basketball games during that period just didn't happen? At that time, Wayland Baptist University won 131 consecutive womans basketball games at the major college level. That should be the recognized major college womens basketball record for consecutive wins, not the crappy l'il 89 game streak of UConn's.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winning_streak_(sports)

In the immortal words of the late and great philosopher, BillyMac...I'm mad as hell and I'm just not going to take this anymore."

This is correct - the Wayland Baptist wins were about 20 yrs prior to the NCAA. You are also correct that they should receive the recognition of having won the most consecutive basketball games. That is a basic question easily answered - just look at the numbers. The same with the basic question of what NCAA team has won the most consecutive games. UConn - just look at the numbers. Last time I checked 89 was more than 88. The problem we are encountering now is that too many are trying to answer a basic, tier 1 question with a second tier answer. A second tier question would be: do they deserve the acclaim bestowed on Wooden's team; did they get it honestly; are the courts the same; is the ball the same, etc. Those are secondary questions that are legitimate and, I'm sure, will be analyzed and debated for some time to come. My initial statement was based on a basic question as stated above. It is still correct - UConn. What college basketball team has won the most consecutive games? The Flying Queens of Wayland B. Do they deserve the same acclaim as UCLA, or UConn for that matter? That's a second level question. I don't know what college level WB plays on. You said they play on "the major college level". I won't dispute that. I just don't remember them. Did they play on an NCAA D1 level? These address second level questions. They don't affect the basic question.

[Adam]

I still haven't seen proof that the NCAA considers this one record in their books.

[26 Year Gap]

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BBrules

This is correct - the Wayland Baptist wins were about 20 yrs prior to the NCAA. You are also correct that they should receive the recognition of having won the most consecutive basketball games. That is a basic question easily answered - just look at the numbers. The same with the basic question of what NCAA team has won the most consecutive games. UConn - just look at the numbers. Last time I checked 89 was more than 88. The problem we are encountering now is that too many are trying to answer a basic, tier 1 question with a second tier answer. A second tier question would be: do they deserve the acclaim bestowed on Wooden's team; did they get it honestly; are the courts the same; is the ball the same, etc. Those are secondary questions that are legitimate and, I'm sure, will be analyzed and debated for some time to come. My initial statement was based on a basic question as stated above. It is still correct - UConn. What college basketball team has won the most consecutive games? The Flying Queens of Wayland B. Do they deserve the same acclaim as UCLA, or UConn for that matter? That's a second level question. I don't know what college level WB plays on. You said they play on "the major college level". I won't dispute that. I just don't remember them. Did they play on an NCAA D1 level? These address second level questions. They don't affect the basic question.

Looking at the NCAA's wesite, they don't combine these records. In fact, on the page trumpeting the win, they list "Top 10 all-time / all-divisions / all-sports win streaks" and include UCLA, UConn, and the others we've mentioned.

Your argument seems to have hinged on the fact that the NCAA recognizes this as a single record when they don't.

As for me, if they do, they shouldn't. But it sure seems they're doing it right.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by BBrules

This is correct - the Wayland Baptist wins were about 20 yrs prior to the NCAA. You are also correct that they should receive the recognition of having won the most consecutive basketball games. That is a basic question easily answered - just look at the numbers. The same with the basic question of what NCAA team has won the most consecutive games. UConn - just look at the numbers. Last time I checked 89 was more than 88. The problem we are encountering now is that too many are trying to answer a basic, tier 1 question with a second tier answer. A second tier question would be: do they deserve the acclaim bestowed on Wooden's team; did they get it honestly; are the courts the same; is the ball the same, etc. Those are secondary questions that are legitimate and, I'm sure, will be analyzed and debated for some time to come. My initial statement was based on a basic question as stated above. It is still correct - UConn. What college basketball team has won the most consecutive games? The Flying Queens of Wayland B. Do they deserve the same acclaim as UCLA, or UConn for that matter? That's a second level question. I don't know what college level WB plays on. You said they play on "the major college level". I won't dispute that. I just don't remember them. Did they play on an NCAA D1 level? These address second level questions. They don't affect the basic question.

I remember them. They played D1 under the AAU banner, same as all major college womens basketball teams did at that time. They hold the D1 womens basketball record for consecutive wins, not UConn. Last time I looked, 131 was more than 89.

Hell, in the 40's and early 50's the NIT tournament mens champion was usually recognized as the national champion, not the NCAA tournament champion. The NCAA tournament was considered second-tier to the NIT.

[BBrules]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

I remember them. They played D1 under the AAU banner, same as all major college womens basketball teams did at that time. They hold the D1 womens basketball record for consecutive wins, not UConn. Last time I looked, 131 was more than 89.

Exactly. It also means that UCLA is 3rd on the list of the most consecutive wins by a college basketball team. I must admit that it is hard for me to believe that Wayland could be classified as a D1 school with a student population of about 500. Of course, I guess you could be considered "D1" if the AAU had only 1 "D", even though I don't think AAU had any "D's" back then.