NCAA Record broken

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

It probably depends on how you define fundamentals. FT percentages? Shooting percentages? I'm not sure what those comparisons would reveal, but just thinking "out loud."

I have no numbers to back it up, but I don't think the women do anything better than the men. Is there one woman who has a better free throw percentage than any man? Possibly. From top to bottom, do the women do anything better than the men? I doubt it.

With regard to athletic ability, I say the following: How many women in the country can dunk a basketball? A handful

Pick a big high school randomly. 1000 students. How many boys are there in this school that can dunk that don't even play basketball?

[chartrusepengui]

Originally Posted by just another ref

I don't think the women do anything better than the men.

Nope - Toooo easy. Not even going to go here. It wouldn't be right. Kind of like UConn playing the women of the Luther Home and not allowing walkers on the court! Nope - not gonna do it.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by just another ref

I have no numbers to back it up, but I don't think the women do anything better than the men. Is there one woman who has a better free throw percentage than any man? Possibly. From top to bottom, do the women do anything better than the men? I doubt it.

With regard to athletic ability, I say the following: How many women in the country can dunk a basketball? A handful

Pick a big high school randomly. 1000 students. How many boys are there in this school that can dunk that don't even play basketball?

Irrelevant...athleticism does not equate to "basketball". Lots of slam dunk phenoms can't play. And men are clearly better at athleticism. I don't think anyone has ever debated that point.

However, if you're talking about "pure basketball"...passing, screening, teamwork, etc., there is no reason why women couldn't be just as good or better.

That, of course, doesn't make it more fun to watch, but it could be "better".

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Irrelevant...athleticism does not equate to "basketball". Lots of slam dunk phenoms can't play. And men are clearly better at athleticism. I don't think anyone has ever debated that point.

However, if you're talking about "pure basketball"...passing, screening, teamwork, etc., there is no reason why women couldn't be just as good or better.

Actually athleticism does play a part in all of it. More physical strength makes it possible to make the tough pass. More speed and quickness makes it possible to get in position to make the screen. But the main point is the addition of athleticism changes the overall game so much that I find it difficult to compare the two and find it unacceptable that the women feel that they have "broken the men's record."

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Actually athleticism does play a part in all of it. More physical strength makes it possible to make the tough pass. More speed and quickness makes it possible to get in position to make the screen. But the main point is the addition of athleticism changes the overall game so much that I find it difficult to compare the two and find it unacceptable that the women feel that they have "broken the men's record."

The extra athleticism is balanced by the extra athleticism of the opposing team. The ability to get to a new position quicker is countered by an opponent doing the same. Yes, the women are slower, but, that doesn't automatically make them worse. It is entirely possible that they could execute a better "game". I'm not saying I enjoy it or thing is is more fun to watch, I don't generally watch it much at all...but the elements of execution do not necessarily correlate to the absolute speed at which they are executed but relative to the base abilities of those involved.

[Cobra]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Irrelevant...athleticism does not equate to "basketball". Lots of slam dunk phenoms can't play.

He can't play compared to other men. Put that guy on the women's team at his high school and it would shock me if he wasn't the best player on the team.

Of course there are some things, like teamwork, that the men and women can do equally as well, but you are not more likely to see those things in a women's game. You might as well just watch the men's games because the level of play is so much higher. I would think that an average men's team would beat this UCONN team by 80 points every game. That is only outscoring them by 2 points per minute which might even be too low. When the level of play is that much lower I don't really see how it could be considered a "good" game no matter how well they pass and how much teamwork they use.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

However, if you're talking about "pure basketball"...passing, screening, teamwork, etc., there is no reason why women couldn't be just as good or better.

That, of course, doesn't make it more fun to watch, but it could be "better".

+1.

Some womens college teams have better fundamentals than either some D1 mens teams or NBA teams.

But it's still boring to me. It's up to the individual whether they want to watch it, same as any sport.