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Old Tue Dec 21, 2010, 05:10pm
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Forgive me for assuming some things here but...

Mark Padgett seems to be a fun loving, quick witted, smart a$$ official.

Nevadaref seems to be a "by the book", dry official, with no room for deviation.

Philosophically...somewhere between these two guys is where one might want to be as an official.

Now I realize that knowing the rule book does not make a good official,
but one cannot be a good official without knowing the rule book.

Having said that...as I get older and more experienced, I seem to want to be more of a smart a$$ to the coaches.

Just last night, I had a Coach complain about a "over and back" call that I made.

A1 had the ball in his frontcourt...A1 passed the ball to A2. B1 tipped the ball before it got to A2 and the ball bounced off of A2's knee and into the backcourt. A2 went to recover the ball. Tweet! Backcourt Violation!

Coach yelled, "How can that be...the defender deflected the ball!"
Partner explained the rule to him as we inbounded the ball.

Next time down the court, I get a foul on Coach A's big man. Coach A says... "How can that be a foul? You don't know what a foul is if that is one!"

Instead of whacking him, I simply go over and say, "Why should I listen to you? You didn't even know the backcourt rule."

His eyes bug out and he can't believe he has been talked to like that. He mentions something about being professional and goes on to say, "We are going to have a PROBLEM!"

I look at him, as the ball is being inbounded, and say, "How do you think that is going to work out for you?"

Two more times down the court and he quietly says to me, with a smile..."Hey, we need to get on the same page...we've been doing this a long time."

I said, "Coach, I forgot about it already."

Yeah, I shouldn't probably be saying these smart a$$ remarks...but, darn it...Padgett keeps giving me material here.
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Old Tue Dec 21, 2010, 05:36pm
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Not sure using the coach as a straight man is a good idea.
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Old Tue Dec 21, 2010, 05:53pm
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Mark Padgett seems to be a fun loving, quick witted, smart a$$ official.
HEY - I resemble that remark!
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Old Tue Dec 21, 2010, 05:54pm
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Not sure using the coach as a straight man is a good idea.
Especially when you have no way of knowing if the coach actually is a straight man.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.
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Old Tue Dec 21, 2010, 06:01pm
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Whack!

Girls 8G coach in a league game last Saturday night is upset about calls. Of course his girls never travel, never carry, never foul. By the second half he's just about out of control. He asks for and is granted a time out, and my partner and I hear him yell loudly enough for the entire gym/all parents to hear, "well girls it's us against the other team and these two idiots". My partner whacks him.

He's lucky, I'm Sicilian, to my family whacking is historically a more serious event.
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Old Tue Dec 21, 2010, 06:06pm
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ref3808...I'd be half tempted to toss him over that comment.
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Old Tue Dec 21, 2010, 06:14pm
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ref3808...I'd be half tempted to toss him over that comment.
Half? If he called me an idiot, he's in the parking lot.
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Old Tue Dec 21, 2010, 06:20pm
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1) Mark Padgett seems to be a fun loving, quick witted, smart a$$ official.
Nevadaref seems to be a "by the book", dry official, with no room for deviation. Philosophically...somewhere between these two guys is where one might want to be as an official.

2) Now I realize that knowing the rule book does not make a good official,
but one cannot be a good official without knowing the rule book.
1) Yup, but you'd better know your audience too when you're making a retort. And when in doubt, STFU.

3) A-freaking-men!!!! Well said.
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Old Tue Dec 21, 2010, 06:30pm
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Old Tue Dec 21, 2010, 06:50pm
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1) Yup, but you'd better know your audience too when you're making a retort. And when in doubt, STFU.

3) A-freaking-men!!!! Well said.
Great advice. Being a wise guy is great for AAU or little kid leagues, because they are always hurting for guys. Being a wise guy to a HS or college coach is asking for trouble. Officials always, always, always have to be ultra-professional and take the high road in all situations, including the smackdown in Florida last week (which they appeared to have done well). It's hard to defend against a bench full of witnesses and/or a film if things go wrong, and that is exactly what the supervisor can and will be confronted with if it goes bad. I've seen a few careers ended prematurely by veteran officials acting unprofessionally towards coaches and crowds.
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Old Tue Dec 21, 2010, 07:11pm
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I believe that the coach-official relationship is critical to a good game. Doesn't mean you have to take his crap but OTOH, we shouldn't be dishing it out either. The only time I have ever said anything to a coach that was less than professional was in an AAU game and it was a mild statement. I told him that if it was okay with him, I will let him coach and he can let me officiate. Otherwise, I try to show the coach some respect. If we miss a call and it is obvious and the coach says something about it later, I simply tell him "you know coach, you are right - we simply missed that one Wasn't on purpose but sometimes you miss a call. We'll take that as a lesson learned"

I have a good report with the coaches. I know they don't think every call I make is great but I don't get a lot of flack from them either. They know I do my best to call it consistent on both side of the ball. I treat them with respect and expect the same in return.

OTOH, I have no problem giving a coach a T if he deserves it.
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Old Tue Dec 21, 2010, 09:57pm
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His eyes bug out and he can't believe he has been talked to like that. He mentions something about being professional and goes on to say, "We are going to have a PROBLEM!"

I look at him, as the ball is being inbounded, and say, "How do you think that is going to work out for you?"
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Old Tue Dec 21, 2010, 10:02pm
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Mark would have hated my game tonight....

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Mark Padgett seems to be a fun loving, quick witted, smart a$$ official (who dislikes OT).
BJV game tonight. Score tied 48-48 with less than a minute to go. I called an intentional flagrant foul on #21 of the V. #4 of the H team misses the shots. They get the ball back and then they missed the last shot..... Game eventually went to double OT.

I tried Mark, really I did!
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Old Tue Dec 21, 2010, 10:02pm
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"How do you think that is going to work out for you?"
again off record +1

I've often thought this but never verbalized it.

In JV game prior to our varsity tonight heard coach yelling at officials wanting travels calls. All you heard was him yelling "travel, travel, travel" etc. JV official looks at him and told him to concentrate on a rule he might understand like 3 seconds.

Was glad I was not drinking anything or it would have sprayed everyone around me! Wouldn't advise those kind of comments BUT it WAS funny!
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Old Tue Dec 21, 2010, 10:16pm
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My personal favorite, never actually spoken out loud, but I think it frequently. In response to any of the "5 against 7" "hometown officiating" "call it on both ends" line of comments, the following might be appropriate.

"If you already think I'm calling against your team, why in the world would you make a remark like that and piss me off?"
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