Game Over

[chseagle]

The only time I have gotten paid to do Varsity was at 3A/4A Regionals. The one Varsity game I did last year as timer at CHS I was volunteer. All the time I do shot clock for Varsity, I'm volunteer.

I've been out of high school for 10 years, & could really care less if I was getting paid or not. I do it as a service to the school/community.

Others unfortunately only care about lining their pockets

The only pay anyone working table should get is free admission & free snacks from the concession stand, nothing more. As far as I'm concerned the only ones that should be getting paid are the floor officials since they have to go through all the training & certification to be there.

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

You won't find many associations that will mandate adults for sub-varsity because..well its sub-varsity. While the games are important to those playing the game, it's still not as important as varsity in the grand scheme of things.

I guess if you wanted to get more adults to do the lower level games, you could make sure they get paid for those games. Even still, some people wouldn't want to do it. You can place restrictions like mandating someone do two games, but when that pool of those that want to be at the table is small as it is, placing restrictions doesn't help. Plus paying an adult for the sub-varsity as well would be an additional cost that schools would have to pay. And I don't know about you, but I'd rather have 3 officials for varsity than have that money go to having an adult for a sub-varsity game.

[chseagle]

NFHS Rule 2-4-3: Designate the official scorebook and official scorer prior to the scheduled starting time of the game.

Not always will the home book be the official book. The R can designate the visitor book as the official book.

Concerning the scoreboard showing completely different from the scorebooks, there was no communication between them.

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

The home book is the official book. NFHS rule 2-11-11.

Howinthehell could the table let the scoreboard get so far outa whack?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

You won't find many associations that will mandate adults for sub-varsity because..well its sub-varsity. While the games are important to those playing the game, it's still not as important as varsity in the grand scheme of things.

I guess if you wanted to get more adults to do the lower level games, you could make sure they get paid for those games. Even still, some people wouldn't want to do it. You can place restrictions like mandating someone do two games, but when that pool of those that want to be at the table is small as it is, placing restrictions doesn't help. Plus paying an adult for the sub-varsity as well would be an additional cost that schools would have to pay. And I don't know about you, but I'd rather have 3 officials for varsity than have that money go to having an adult for a sub-varsity game.

It's just like those who say, "We need good officials to work the JV games" but the truth is that those who work varsity games typically are working varsity games and on the nights they're not, they're enjoying a night off.

[APG]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

It's just like those who say, "We need good officials to work the JV games" but the truth is that those who work varsity games typically are working varsity games and on the nights they're not, they're enjoying a night off.

Totally agree!

[chseagle]

Yeah, more often than not, Varsity level officials only work Varsity games. Although there are still a few out there that work both Sub-V & V.

Originally Posted by RichMSN

It's just like those who say, "We need good officials to work the JV games" but the truth is that those who work varsity games typically are working varsity games and on the nights they're not, they're enjoying a night off.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

Where else would you have this recommendation be?

The constitution? Or at least the Federalist Papers.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

Where else would you have this recommendation be?

The Gospel of chseagle, Chapter 4, Verses 1-2.

[chseagle]

I thought it was the Gospel of Jurassic, Chapter 1, verses 19-21?

Originally Posted by BillyMac

The Gospel of chseagle, Chapter 4, Verses 1-2.

[chseagle]

Thanks for the idea of writing a book about table operations, now I just need to find some co-Authors.

Originally Posted by BillyMac

The Gospel of chseagle, Chapter 4, Verses 1-2.

[CHSLadyEagle]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Thanks for the idea of writing a book about table operations, now I just need to find some co-Authors.

I'll Co-Author however we'd still need a few officials to assist with rules citations & game situations.

Although I'm in the process of becoming an official.

Just this year alone I've seen my fair share of bad scorers, & have even had to coach them while working as timer.

Yeah I realize I rarely am on here, I like observing more than anything.

[just another ref]

What if they reproduce??

[TimTaylor]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

It's just like those who say, "We need good officials to work the JV games" but the truth is that those who work varsity games typically are working varsity games and on the nights they're not, they're enjoying a night off.

Not that way here. You're expected to work games at any level assigned. Refuse too many and you may find yourself losing future assignments.

[chseagle]

It's not for a lack of trying.

If/when that happens, that just means one less person for table operations.

Originally Posted by just another ref

What if they reproduce??

[SCalScoreKeeper]

Chseagle,
Count me in as a co-author if you ever decide to write a manual on table operations!

[Rob1968]

Originally Posted by SCalScoreKeeper

Chseagle,
Count me in as a co-author if you ever decide to write a manual on table operations!

What about the two available instruction sheets on the NFHS site, one for the timer, and one for the scorekeeper? I've carried copies with me for years, and use them to train officials so they will know what to review with the table crew during their meeting at the table, pre-game.
At an officials camp, years ago, one ot the evaluators had the nature of stopping one or the other official and asking: "Without looking at the scoreboard, what's the score? How much time is left? What's the foul count? Which team scored last? What kind of score was it - 2, 3, or free throw? Who gets the next AP?"
It's part of our work to be aware of those elements during the game, and especially in a close score.
Also, I get the first name of the three members of our table crew, at the beginning of the game. It really helps to address them by name, and seems to help them feel the importance they have to be part of our crew for the night.
Near the end of a close game, I may check with them several times to be sure that everything matches in the two books, and with the scoreboard. We all know that the R has to approve the final score, and to me, that task implies that I've been aware, and reviewing it's progress throughout the contest.