I think chseagle was my timer tonight

[chseagle]

If no one was available to be home scorer, why did they not just make the visitor book the official scorer?

Originally Posted by Stat-Man

Many years ago at a HS varsity game, we were the visiting team and the home scorer for the varsity game was nowhere to be found as the pre-game clock slowly wound down. The referees told our coach that if our roster was not in the home book by the 10 minute mark, it was going to be T on us.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by chseagle

If no one was available to be home scorer, why did they not just make the visitor book the official scorer?

Because the same refs who would hold the coach responsible for that play are the ones who don't know you can appoint the V book as official. The fact is these guys didn't know the rule.

[BktBallRef]

UPDATE: Mr. Timer has been relieved of his duties, permanently.

I called the assignor on Tuesday and shared the situation with him. I learned that we were the third crew to have problems with this timer this season, which is only in it's 4th week. Since the rules state that the referee must approve the timer, the assignor has contacted the A.D. and told him that no referee from our association will approve this man as the timer. They have 3 weeks before the next home game. He included a copy of the NFHS instructions for timers and scorers so they might begin training a new timer.

[chseagle]

The Instructions for & Duties of Scorer/Timer for Basketball Games is very useful as a training tool.

Is there not someone that does Sub-V timer there that might be able to step up?

NFHS Rule 2-4-3 is the rule you're quoting.

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

UPDATE: Mr. Timer has been relieved of his duties, permanently.

I called the assignor on Tuesday and shared the situation with him. I learned that we were the third crew to have problems with this timer this season, which is only in it's 4th week. Since the rules state that the referee must approve the timer, the assignor has contacted the A.D. and told him that no referee from our association will approve this man as the timer. They have 3 weeks before the next home game. He included a copy of the NFHS instructions for timers and scorers so they might begin training a new timer.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Is there not someone that does Sub-V timer there that might be able to step up?

Why would I know or even care?

NFHS Rule 2-4-3 is the rule you're quoting.

Didn't believe me and had to look it up, eh?

[chseagle]

I believed you on the rule citation, I was just quoting the exact rule number for everyone's reference.

Concerning using a Sub-V Timer in place of the replaced V Timer, they would already have some training/experience, instead of bringing in someone that has not done table.

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Why would I know or even care?



Didn't believe me and had to look it up, eh?

[Clark Kent]

Don't worry Chseagle, some guys on here may say it is the student, but I think many are pretty lousy teachers! Hang in there and keep asking questions. If they don't like it hopefully they can resist the temptation to treat you in a in such a rude way.

I'm sure I'll take some heat for posting this, but I think someone needed to stand up for someone else on here! I know this site has been extremely valuable for me and has taught me a ton, and I'm very thankful for the years and years of experience that these guys have and all that they are willing to pass on. I only wish that some could do it in a more constructive and less degrading manner.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Concerning using a Sub-V Timer in place of the replaced V Timer, they would already have some training/experience, instead of bringing in someone that has not done table.

they might, but BktBallRef's point is that it's up to the school and not up to the officials. Maybe the school has a reason for keeping the sub-V timer at the sub-v level (for example, maybe he's a PITA who is always trying to overstep his bounds; maybe the school is worried that the school will have to replace a second timer if the sub-V timer is promoted.)

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by chseagle

I believed you on the rule citation, I was just quoting the exact rule number for everyone's reference.

Concerning using a Sub-V Timer in place of the replaced V Timer, they would already have some training/experience, instead of bringing in someone that has not done table.

Again, that's not my concern or anything that I would have knowledge about. You need to find the forum that the principal or AD post on and ask them that question. Or I can get the prinicapl's email addy and you can email him.

[bbcoach7]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Concerning using a Sub-V Timer in place of the replaced V Timer, they would already have some training/experience, instead of bringing in someone that has not done table.

Doing table isn't difficult. Any smart kid who can pay attention and focus can do the job. Heck, working the snack bar is harder.

[bbcoach7]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Is there not someone that does Sub-V timer there that might be able to step up?

Maybe you should make enquiries and call the school to find out. I suggest that because the OP is a basketball referee. He has nothing to do with a schools process for replacing and traiining a score board opertor, nor does he care I would assume. All the referee cares is that someone is there at the table to do the task and that the person does it efficiently and quietly.

I've sat in to run clock in an "emergency" when the regular guy didn't show up. I was given about 30 or 40 seconds of instruction on how to operate the 3-4 buttons and switches, and had no problems at all. It was quite simple and easy. To me, the job of a clock operator is to simply be an observer, an observer who makes correct responses in clock operation, and that's it.

The clock operator in my community is a somewhat odd fellow. He runs clock at the local Jr High, the High School, and down the road at the JC. He's very dedicated to his job and good at it. Though it's not a difficult job to be good at. I suppose we are just fortunate that somebody takes this mundane task so seriously and shows up. He's odd because he carries on a running monologue with his self through out the entire game. He describes the entire game as if he's a commentator, plus he narrates what he's doing with the clock, and then also talks to both scorers. He never shuts up, ever. He does this all in a monotone voice and just loud enough so only the table can hear him. Sounds kinda like this, "ok red ball, two points #12 red, reset the shot clock, foul on red # 11, stop the clock,..." and on and on and on.

Most visiting scorers only last a half, then they go sit in the stands where they can't hear him.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by bbcoach7

Maybe you should make enquiries and call the school to find out. I suggest that because the OP is a basketball referee. He has nothing to do with a schools process for replacing and traiining a score board opertor, nor does he care I would assume. All the referee cares is that someone is there at the table to do the task and that the person does it efficiently and quietly.

I've sat in to run clock in an "emergency" when the regular guy didn't show up. I was given about 30 or 40 seconds of instruction on how to operate the 3-4 buttons and switches, and had no problems at all. It was quite simple and easy. To me, the job of a clock operator is to simply be an observer, an observer who makes correct responses in clock operation, and that's it.

+1

The clock operator in my community is a somewhat odd fellow. He runs clock at the local Jr High, the High School, and down the road at the JC. He's very dedicated to his job and good at it. Though it's not a difficult job to be good at. I suppose we are just fortunate that somebody takes this mundane task so seriously and shows up. He's odd because he carries on a running monologue with his self through out the entire game. He describes the entire game as if he's a commentator, plus he narrates what he's doing with the clock, and then also talks to both scorers. He never shuts up, ever. He does this all in a monotone voice and just loud enough so only the table can hear him. Sounds kinda like this, "ok red ball, two points #12 red, reset the shot clock, foul on red # 11, stop the clock,..." and on and on and on.

Most visiting scorers only last a half, then they go sit in the stands where they can't hear him.

Funny stuff.

[zm1283]

I had my first hint of a problem with someone from the table in my game last night. No problems like the OP though. The scorer (Who when we introduced ourselves before the game let us know she was the superintendent and administrator on duty) kept looking away from us when we reported fouls. She would either be looking at someone else at the table or already looking down recording who she though the foul was on when we were reporting. Nothing to have someone replaced over, but rather annoying to say the least. At least the board operator/timer was making eye contact with us every time so he could fill her in if she missed something.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by zm1283

I had my first hint of a problem with someone from the table in my game last night. No problems like the OP though. The scorer (Who when we introduced ourselves before the game let us know she was the superintendent and administrator on duty) kept looking away from us when we reported fouls. She would either be looking at someone else at the table or already looking down recording who she though the foul was on when we were reporting. Nothing to have someone replaced over, but rather annoying to say the least. At least the board operator/timer was making eye contact with us every time so he could fill her in if she missed something.

At the very least, you should tell her to not make asumptions regarding the foul and to wait for the signal.