How would this translate to Fed?

[stiffler3492]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I do not know about that as it was asked. I think I get what you are saying, but in this case that might not completely apply to this situation. He said lose control of the ball, not sure that means he stopped his attempt to shoot the basket. In other words the ball comes out of his hand but continues to try to make a shot. I think I might allow that if what I am imagining is true.

Peace

It's hard to describe exactly what happened. A1 begins the habitual motion of shooting by bringing the ball in towards his body while jumping towards the rim (a la a layup or dunk). As he's going up, he gets hit on the arm, causing him to lose control of the ball. The ball's, and the player's momentum is still upwards, and the player is able to catch the ball and try to dunk it. He missed, but let's say he made it. Would you count it?

Hope that makes better sense.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by stiffler3492

It's hard to describe exactly what happened. A1 begins the habitual motion of shooting by bringing the ball in towards his body while jumping towards the rim (a la a layup or dunk). As he's going up, he gets hit on the arm, causing him to lose control of the ball. The ball's, and the player's momentum is still upwards, and the player is able to catch the ball and try to dunk it. He missed, but let's say he made it. Would you count it?

No. See rule 4-41-4. By rule, a try ends when it is certain the throw is unsuccessful. As soon as A1 touched the ball after he lost contol in mid-air, his try was unsuccessful. And A1 was fouled on that try.The ball is now also dead as per rule 6-7-7 and EXCEPTION c. A1 subsequently is just catching and dunking a dead ball, not attempting another try. That's why you can't count that basket.

A1 gets 2 FT's for being fouled during his try. And Nevada agrees with Bob about also issuing a "T" for dunking a dead ball (even though Bob doesn't agree with Bob ).

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

A1 gets 2 FT's for being fouled during his try. And Nevada agrees with Bob about also issuing a "T" for dunking a dead ball (even though Bob doesn't agree with Bob ).

What are you trying to do, destroy the universe?!? Bob always agrees with Bob! Anything else would result in chaos!

Bob was just indulging in a rare facetious moment. Fitting that it would come at Rut's expense.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by mbyron

What are you trying to do, destroy the universe?!? Bob always agrees with Bob! Anything else would result in chaos!

Bob was just indulging in a rare facetious moment. Fitting that it would come at Rut's expense.

Bob is the only one who can disagree with bob.
Sort of like Chuck Norris fighting Walker Texas Ranger.
Or Clark Kent taking on Superman.

That may well exhaust the list of applicable metaphors here.

[Rob1968]

It seems that some of the confusion and subsequent discussion on this play comes because the shooter is in the air when he/she looses control of the ball, and is considered to be an "airborne shooter" until he/she returns to the floor. If that is the focus, then logic may lead one to think that regaining control of the ball and shooting it is a completion of the play, and not a new play. Apparently, because of the foul, the attempt is considered to have ended, and the concept of the airborne shooter regaining sufficient control of the ball to try, again, is considered to be a new play/attempt (?)
I've seen that happen, when no foul was involved, and we all thought it was just a great play on the part of the shooter.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Rob1968

I've seen that happen, when no foul was involved, and we all thought it was just a great play on the part of the shooter.

And it is a great play on the part of the shooter; and without a foul it would count.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Rob1968

Apparently, because of the foul, the attempt is considered to have ended, and the concept of the airborne shooter regaining sufficient control of the ball to try, again, is considered to be a new play/attempt (?)

Nope, the foul would only end the attempt if that foul prevented the shooter from releasing the ball. In the case being discussed, the ball was released. That attempt(try) now would end when the throw was successful or when it was certain the throw would not be successful. And it was certain that the throw would not be successful as soon as A1 touched the try again after that initial try left his hands.

The concept of the airborne shooter touching the ball before a second attempt at a try is considered by rule to end the first try and also make the ball dead with that touching at the same time.

[stiffler3492]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

No. See rule 4-41-4. By rule, a try ends when it is certain the throw is unsuccessful. As soon as A1 touched the ball after he lost contol in mid-air, his try was unsuccessful. And A1 was fouled on that try.The ball is now also dead as per rule 6-7-7 and EXCEPTION c. A1 subsequently is just catching and dunking a dead ball, not attempting another try. That's why you can't count that basket.

A1 gets 2 FT's for being fouled during his try. And Nevada agrees with Bob about also issuing a "T" for dunking a dead ball (even though Bob doesn't agree with Bob ).

That makes sense. Thanks JR

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

No. See rule 4-41-4. By rule, a try ends when it is certain the throw is unsuccessful. As soon as A1 touched the ball after he lost contol in mid-air, his try was unsuccessful. And A1 was fouled on that try.The ball is now also dead as per rule 6-7-7 and EXCEPTION c. A1 subsequently is just catching and dunking a dead ball, not attempting another try. That's why you can't count that basket.

I am not sure about that as I am reading it. Again this is more of a what if, but I would have to see the play to say the attempt was simply over. Because if the player was making a dunk and was fouled and the ball slipped out of his hand, I probably going to give that player the benefit. Not saying that is what I would do in this specific situation, but I would not consider the play automatically over just because the ball is slightly out of the hand of the shooter for a very brief moment.

Peace