Travel, carry, or nothing?

[Camron Rust]

I think this situation actually exposes a hole in the rules.


Here is what I think:

• A1 is not dribbling the ball...dribbing is "ball movement"
• A1 is not holding the ball...therefore no travel.
• It is not an interrupted dribble as it hasn't gotten away from A1
• B1 hasn't earned a held ball

I think we have one big ugly nothing.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

The rule you cite defines what a player may or may not do while holding the ball but exactly where do the rules define "holding"? That is really the essence of this situation.

And that's exactly why it's a judgment call imo.

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I think this situation actually exposes a hole in the rules.


Here is what I think:

• A1 is not dribbling the ball...dribbing is "ball movement"
• A1 is not holding the ball...therefore no travel.
• It is not an interrupted dribble as it hasn't gotten away from A1
• B1 hasn't earned a held ball

I think we have one big ugly nothing.

You're problem is that A1 was dribbling so unless he started holding the ball, he has not ended his dribble.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by camron rust

i think this situation actually exposes a hole in the rules.


Here is what i think:

• a1 is not dribbling the ball...dribbing is "ball movement"
• a1 is not holding the ball...therefore no travel.
• it is not an interrupted dribble as it hasn't gotten away from a1
• b1 hasn't earned a held ball

i think we have one big ugly nothing.

+1

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I think this situation actually exposes a hole in the rules.


Here is what I think:

• A1 is not dribbling the ball...dribbing is "ball movement"
• A1 is not holding the ball...therefore no travel.
• It is not an interrupted dribble as it hasn't gotten away from A1
• B1 hasn't earned a held ball

I think we have one big ugly nothing.

I think it's a "double violation." (rule 11-3)

Go to the POI, but do it without the whistle.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

• A1 is not dribbling the ball...dribbing is "ball movement"
• A1 is not holding the ball...therefore no travel.
• It is not an interrupted dribble as it hasn't gotten away from A1
• B1 hasn't earned a held ball

I agree with 1, 3, and 4. Still, if A1 pinned the ball against A2's leg, and both took steps, was it not established that we would have a travel, even though A1 still would not be holding the ball?

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by bainsey

I agree with 1, 3, and 4. Still, if A1 pinned the ball against A2's leg, and both took steps, was it not established that we would have a travel, even though A1 still would not be holding the ball?

If A1 is the cause of the ball being pinned anywhere, it's traveling as he has caused the ball to rest in his hand and thus ended his dribble.

The only way in the OP you don't call traveling is if you judge that B1 caused the ball to be pinned so A1's dribble hasn't ended. If you don't have a dribble, A1 has violated.

[Indianaref]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

And that's exactly why it's a judgment call imo.

Exactly, then we refer back to the calling official in the OP which was a travel.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bainsey

I agree with 1, 3, and 4. Still, if A1 pinned the ball against A2's leg, and both took steps, was it not established that we would have a travel, even though A1 still would not be holding the ball?

There's no way you can call a travel if A1 isn't holding the ball. There are two exceptions to that requirement, and this isn't one of them.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

There's no way you can call a travel if A1 isn't holding the ball. There are two exceptions to that requirement, and this isn't one of them.

Maybe there are three exceptions?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by bainsey

I agree with 1, 3, and 4. Still, if A1 pinned the ball against A2's leg, and both took steps, was it not established that we would have a travel, even though A1 still would not be holding the ball?

I'll call that an attempt to circumvent the rules and call it a travel.

That would be like the play where the player who is on the floor sets the ball down, gets up, then picks up the ball. That is ruled a travel by interpretation, not exactly by rule, becasue it is viewed as an attempt to circumvent the travel rule in a way that was not intended.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by camron rust

i'll call that an attempt to circumvent the rules and call it a travel.

That would be like the play where the player who is on the floor sets the ball down, gets up, then picks up the ball. That is ruled a travel by interpretation, not exactly by rule, becasue it is viewed as an attempt to circumvent the travel rule in a way that was not intended.

+1