Literal Reading Getting Me In Trouble

[Adam]

Looking through 6-7 this morning, I noticed something. 6-7-5 says the ball becomes dead on an official's whistle unless the try is in flight. 6-7-7 tells us that the ball becomes dead on a foul unless it's by the opponent and a try has begun. The way I see it, a literal reading of this rule would cause the ball to become dead in the following scenario, thus nullifying a basket.

1. Try begins.
2. B1 fouls shooter.
3. official blows whistle.
4. Try released.

I know it's not the intent, and it's not how it's done in practice. I'm talking about a literal reading of the rule, unless I'm missing something on this.

[Jurassic Referee]

You're missing 6-7-EXCEPTION(c).

You're also thinking waaaaaaay too damn much.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

You're missing 6-7-EXCEPTION(c).

That only applies to 6-7-7, not 6-7-5.

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

You're also thinking waaaaaaay too damn much.

Agreed.

[Zoochy]

Rule 4
SECTION 11 CONTINUOUS MOTION
ART. 1 . . . Continuous motion applies to a try or tap for field goals and free
throws, but it has no significance unless there is a foul by any defensive player during the interval which begins when the habitual throwing movement starts a try or with the touching on a tap and ends when the ball is clearly in flight.
ART. 2 . . . If an opponent fouls after a player has started a try for goal, he/she is permitted to complete the customary arm movement, and if pivoting or stepping when fouled, may complete the usual foot or body movement in any activity while holding the ball. These privileges are granted only when the usual throwing motion has started before the foul occurs and before the ball is in flight.
ART. 3 . . . Continuous motion does not apply if a teammate fouls after a player has started a try for a goal and before the ball is in flight. The ball becomes dead immediately.

Basketball Rules Fundamentals
17. “Continuous motion” applies both to tries and taps for field goals and free throws, but it has no significance unless there is a foul by the defense during the interval which begins when the habitual trying or tapping movement starts and ends when the ball is clearly in flight.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

That only applies to 6-7-7, not 6-7-5.

Read 6.7COMMENT, 6.7SitC and 6.7SitD. And read 'em literally.

You're not only thinking waaaaaay too damn much but you're also not using the resources available to you.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Read 6.7COMMENT, 6.7SitC and 6.7SitD. And read 'em literally.

You're not only thinking waaaaaay too damn much but you're also not using the resources available to you.

I know the intent, which is made clear in 6.7D, and I would never dream of waving off the shot just because I blew my whistle a little quickly. Frankly, a strict reading of 6-7-5 would render 6.7D incorrect; but obviously the intent is to allow this. The intent of 6-7-5 is obviously for IWs or other similar situations.

[Judtech]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Looking through 6-7 this morning, I noticed something. 6-7-5 says the ball becomes dead on an official's whistle unless the try is in flight. 6-7-7 tells us that the ball becomes dead on a foul unless it's by the opponent and a try has begun. The way I see it, a literal reading of this rule would cause the ball to become dead in the following scenario, thus nullifying a basket.

1. Try begins.
2. B1 fouls shooter.
3. official blows whistle.
4. Try released.

I know it's not the intent, and it's not how it's done in practice. I'm talking about a literal reading of the rule, unless I'm missing something on this.

OK. Seriously? It is Thanksgiving. You could be spending time with family, watching sports eating food. But NOOOOOO, you wake up all bright eyed and bushy tailed to pour over some of the finer points of the Rule book.
Wow, and I thought I was the only one looking for ways to avoid time with the inlaws!

[Adam]

LOL, travel got postponed today due to illness. The kids are playing, and I'm doing what I love.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I know the intent, which is made clear in 6.7D, and I would never dream of waving off the shot just because I blew my whistle a little quickly. Frankly, a strict reading of 6-7-5 would render 6.7D incorrect; but obviously the intent is to allow this. The intent of 6-7-5 is obviously for IWs or other similar situations.

Paralysis through analysis.

Frankly.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Paralysis through analysis.

Frankly.

Yeah, you're right. To be fair, I did say it was getting me in trouble.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Yeah, you're right. To be fair, I did say it was getting me in trouble.

All rules assume that they are the only rule that applies, and that they are not complicated by other situations.

So, if you have a play where more than one rule applies (as in your OP), you need to decide which (and in a different situation it might be both / all) apply.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Looking through 6-7 this morning, I noticed something. 6-7-5 says the ball becomes dead on an official's whistle unless the try is in flight. 6-7-7 tells us that the ball becomes dead on a foul unless it's by the opponent and a try has begun. The way I see it, a literal reading of this rule would cause the ball to become dead in the following scenario, thus nullifying a basket.

1. Try begins.
2. B1 fouls shooter.
3. official blows whistle.
4. Try released.

Why do you think the whistle causes the ball to become dead?

"6-7-7 tells us that the ball becomes dead on a foul unless it's by the opponent and a try has begun."

#1 has the try beginning and #2 is the foul by the opponent. Therefore, the ball is not dead.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Why do you think the whistle causes the ball to become dead?

"6-7-7 tells us that the ball becomes dead on a foul unless it's by the opponent and a try has begun."

#1 has the try beginning and #2 is the foul by the opponent. Therefore, the ball is not dead.

Because 6-7-5 tells us the ball becomes dead on the whistle, unless the try is already in flight.

bob's explanation helps, and the guidance for the decision is obviously 6.7D.

Again, I know the intent and the way this should be called. I was just looking at it literally this morning. I'll go back to discussing politics on facebook now.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I'll go back to discussing politics on facebook now.

Good!

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Good!