Kentucky/Washington

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by dahoopref

It wasn't a personal foul, it was an "intentional foul."

Here's a first pass at a taxonomy. I'm sure someone will have suggestions for improving it.

1. Types of Foul:
Personal, Technical

2. Sub-types of Foul
Personal Fouls: Common, Shooting, Combo, Intentional, Flagrant
Technical Fouls: [regular], Intentional, Flagrant

3a. Personal Fouls: live ball contact or dead-ball contact by/on airborne shooter
Common Personal Fouls: illegal personal contact, including player control and team control fouls
Shooting Personal Fouls: illegal contact on shooter during tap or try
Combo Personal Fouls: double or false double, multiple or false multiple, or simultaneous foul
Intentional Personal Fouls: excessive contact, attempting to neutralize opponent's obvious advantage
Flagrant Personal Fouls: violent and savage contact (could be accidental)

3b. Technical Fouls
Technical Fouls: Team, Substitute, Player, Bench, Coach, Unsporting
Intentional Technical Foul: Intentional foul when ball is dead
Flagrant Technical Foul: Flagrant contact when ball is dead, flagrant substitute, player, bench, coach, or unsporting foul

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by mbyron

Here's a first pass at a taxonomy. I'm sure someone will have suggestions for improving it.

1. Types of Foul:
Personal, Technical

2. Sub-types of Foul
Personal Fouls: Common, Shooting, Combo, Intentional, Flagrant
Technical Fouls: [regular], Intentional, Flagrant

3a. Personal Fouls: live ball contact or dead-ball contact by/on airborne shooter
Common Personal Fouls: illegal personal contact, including player control and team control fouls
Shooting Personal Fouls: illegal contact on shooter during tap or try
Combo Personal Fouls: double or false double, multiple or false multiple, or simultaneous foul
Intentional Personal Fouls: excessive contact, attempting to neutralize opponent's obvious advantage
Flagrant Personal Fouls: violent and savage contact (could be accidental)

3b. Technical Fouls
Technical Fouls: Team, Substitute, Player, Bench, Coach, Unsporting
Intentional Technical Foul: Intentional foul when ball is dead
Flagrant Technical Foul: Flagrant contact when ball is dead, flagrant substitute, player, bench, coach, or unsporting foul

A nice effort and a decent summary, but combo and shooting are not rules book terms for types of fouls.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

A nice effort and a decent summary, but combo and shooting are not rules book terms for types of fouls.

And there are two categories missing.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

And there are two categories missing.

Are those terms included in his definition of combo or are you thinking of something such as administrative?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

And there are two categories missing.

Methinks Mike might have included them in "common"....

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Methinks Mike might have included them in "common"....

Ah, I see them included in common. I swear I read that thing 5 times before posting.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

A nice effort and a decent summary, but combo and shooting are not rules book terms for types of fouls.

Right, but the definition of common foul excludes them, so I needed to make up a term to include them.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by mbyron

Right, but the definition of common foul excludes them, so I needed to make up a term to include them.

You are correct that fouls against a player in the act of shooting don't have a modifier. They are just personal fouls.

The others have modifiers--double, false double, etc.

I advocate sticking to the terms in the book and teaching it that way.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I advocate sticking to the terms in the book and teaching it that way.

As a general rule, I do as well. But the rule book shows signs of having been rewritten dozens of times, to the point where the types of fouls have become more confusing than they need to be.

When I started doing basketball I sat down to work out a breakdown of the types of fouls, and I was frustrated that I couldn't figure it out. Part of the problem, it seems to me, is that "shooting foul" is not explicitly defined in the rules. I don't think we do a service to newer officials by slavishly following rulebook usage in absolutely every case.

As you know, the rule book is not perfect. "Sticking to the terms in the book and teaching it that way" stifles improvement.

[Nevadaref]

UNLV/Va Tech game today from tournament in Anaheim, CA.

Va Tech has the ball in their frontcourt. On the wing away from the ball a UNLV player raises his arms and catches the opponent in the face with an elbow. There is no whistle on the play. The Va Tech player goes down and remains down.

Va Tech proceeds to attack the goal from the opposite side and scores. The game is stopped, the Va Tech is attended to, and the officials go to the monitor.

They decide that the UNLV player was guilty of an intentional personal foul. 2FTs were awarded to the fouled Va Tech player who was allowed to remain in the game due to the decision to charge an intentional foul, and the game was resumed at the POI, which was the UNLV endline throw-in following the made goal by Va Tech.

So we now have two examples of crews going to the monitor for an intentional personal foul for an elbow above the shoulders which wasn't whistled during live action and resuming at the POI.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

UNLV/Va Tech game today from tournament in Anaheim, CA.

Va Tech has the ball in their frontcourt. On the wing away from the ball a UNLV player raises his arms and catches the opponent in the face with an elbow. There is no whistle on the play. The Va Tech player goes down and remains down.

Va Tech proceeds to attack the goal from the opposite side and scores. The game is stopped, the Va Tech is attended to, and the officials go to the monitor.

They decide that the UNLV player was guilty of an intentional personal foul. 2FTs were awarded to the fouled Va Tech player who was allowed to remain in the game due to the decision to charge an intentional foul, and the game was resumed at the POI, which was the UNLV endline throw-in following the made goal by Va Tech.

So we now have two examples of crews going to the monitor for an intentional personal foul for an elbow above the shoulders which wasn't whistled during live action and resuming at the POI.

Which is the proper procedure:

Originally Posted by Art Hyland

B. Rule 2-13.6. This rule should be utilized when the official fails to observe any of the contact fouls noted above or a fight. Utilize the monitor as follows:
The official may go to the monitor to determine if a contact flagrant foul occurred and
to enforce the flagrant foul penalty accordingly. The official may also penalize the contact by enforcing an intentional foul or a contact dead ball technical if the severity of the foul does not warrant a flagrant foul. The official may not call a common foul or any other infraction under these circumstances.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by mbyron

"Sticking to the terms in the book and teaching it that way" stifles improvement.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but you won't see me teaching shooting fouls, combo fouls, or reaching fouls to those officials I instruct.