Swinging Elbows

[PG_Ref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Even if the defender sticks his nose in where it doesn't belong?

What stipulates where the defenders' nose belongs or doesn't belong?

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by PG_Ref

What stipulates where the defenders' nose belongs or doesn't belong?

For NFHS, Rule 4-23-1.

[PG_Ref]

Originally Posted by mbyron

For NFHS, Rule 4-23-1.

Yep ... the nose that gets there first, belongs

[Adam]

Originally Posted by PG_Ref

Yep ... the nose that gets there first, belongs

As BktBallRef alludes to, if B1 leans over A1, who pivots elbows out in the process of straightening up or even squaring up, it's likely going to be a no-call unless A1's elbow is somehow damaged.

[PG_Ref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

As BktBallRef alludes to, if B1 leans over A1, who pivots elbows out in the process of straightening up or even squaring up, it's likely going to be a no-call unless A1's elbow is somehow damaged.

Perhaps true, but based on the OP, I was going on the presumption that we have swinging elbows VS elbows moving via normal pivoting ...

[AHSAA_Ref]

My President says if the elbows do not move faster than the torso, it is not a violation or foul.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

if B1 leans over A1, who pivots elbows out in the process of straightening up or even squaring up, it's likely going to be a no-call unless A1's elbow is somehow damaged.

Since this thread started with reference to the NCAA rules, I just want to remind everyone that the statement above is FALSE in NCAA games.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by AHSAA_Ref

My President says if the elbows do not move faster than the torso, it is not a violation or foul.

Your President probably said that because the rules told him to say that. Just saying...

NFHS rule 4-24-8(a) and NCAA rule 4-36-7(a). Note though that both of those rules also go on to say that you can still call a foul or violation if you deem that the aggression(speed and vigor) of the elbow swing could cause injury if contact was made.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by PG_Ref

What stipulates where the defenders' nose belongs or doesn't belong?

It belongs on his face. If he sticks his face outside of his vertical plance and within the opponent's vertical space, I'd say his face doesn't belong there.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

It belongs on his face. If he sticks his face outside of his vertical plance and within the opponent's vertical space, I'd say his face doesn't belong there.

I like this word. May I use it?

Oh, and can you describe a horizontal plance?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by mbyron

Oh, and can you describe a horizontal plance?

He not only spelled it wrong, everybody knows most plants grow vertically.

"You plant the little seeds in the rich brown soil and watch them shoot up toward the sun and the sky." **





**Oliver Wendell Douglas

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by PG_Ref

What stipulates where the defenders' nose belongs or doesn't belong?

Remember: You can pick your friends, and you can pick your nose, but you can't pick your friend's nose.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Remember: You can pick your friends, and you can pick your nose, but you can't pick your friend's nose.

Not true. You can if you really want to and your friend has no complaints about your doing so.

Just saying.....

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Not true. You can if you really want to and your friend has no complaints about your doing so.

Just saying.....

Not many of us have friends like that.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Not many of us have friends like that.

Or want friends like that.