SIU Time Out

[Adam]

Originally Posted by stiffler3492

Possibly. I'll also contend that the players mouth could be moving, but he didn't actually say "timeout".

I'd be interested to hear what SIU's coach had to say about the explanation he got. I'm sure a reporter put the bait out there, it's just a matter of whether or not Lowery bit.

Until evidence shows otherwise, I'll choose to believe the explanation that is more charitable to the officials involved (both their competence and their integrity). You seem willing to question one or both; based on what?

[youngref33]

Watch the reply over.
When the official goes to point to SIU bench, look at #2 hands to the side behind the official.

Looks like to me that #2 is making a T with his hands!

What you all think.
Seen this reply in the highlights when they are explaining it.

[youngref33]

Watch the reply over.
When the official goes to point to SIU bench, look at #2 hands to the side behind the official.

Looks like to me that #2 is making a T with his hands!

What you all think.
Seen this reply in the highlights when they are explaining it.

[stiffler3492]

Youngref, you are correct. However, in the video, the official is already granting timeout, then points at a player other than #2.

I'm questioning nobody's integrity. I'm questioning the play. I think it's certainly possible that the official realized he messed up after the fact, then tried to cover his behind with a weak story.

I'm all for giving fellow officials the benefit of the doubt, but there's something that just doesn't sit right with me on this one. I'm not saying that his integrity was compromised in any way. It's quite possible that he made a mistake (Oh my, officials make mistakes??!!??), and did a poor job afterwards.

It's easy for me to play armchair quarterback here, I'm just giving my opinion. If you want to discredit that because I'm willing to question what happened, so be it. Everyone on this board (including myself), has been critical of another official on this board, sometimes in a condescending way. If we can be critical on each other while interpreting a rule, why can't we be critical of a real situation that ended up being instrumental in deciding the outcome of a game?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by stiffler3492

I'm questioning nobody's integrity.

Really?

Originally Posted by stiffler3492

I'm questioning the play. I think it's certainly possible that the official realized he messed up after the fact, then tried to cover his behind with a weak story.

You don't see the part in red as an issue of integrity?

There are really only three options here:
1. It happened as the official stated it did.
2. He's convinced a player made a verbal request, but the player didn't make the request.
3. He realized he goofed, but stuck to his guns and issued the T anyway.

#2 is an issue of competence.
#3 is competence and integrity.

From your own comments, the video does not show the ref was in error. So you're basing your opinion on the official's competence on what, your gut?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Until evidence shows otherwise, I'll choose to believe the explanation that is more charitable to the officials involved (both their competence and their integrity). You seem willing to question one or both; based on what?

Gee, you think like an official, not a fanboy.

Why aren't I surprised?