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[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Oh, I don't know, I've run into more college bs from a smaller sample of officials than bad high school attitudes.

I have said this before and I will say this again. The best officials I have worked at the high school level are almost always college officials or have college experience. And the main reason is they go to camps on a regular basis and they realize their responsibility. And most of all they do not defer to others to take care of business or speak for them. Many long time high school veterans do things they did 20 years ago and stop evolving as officiating as evolved in that same time.

Peace

[tref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I have said this before and I will say this again. The best officials I have worked at the high school level are almost always college officials or have college experience. And the main reason is they go to camps on a regular basis and they realize their responsibility. And most of all they do not defer to others to take care of business or speak for them. Many long time high school veterans do things they did 20 years ago and stop evolving as officiating as evolved in that same time.

Peace

Bingo!

I sure hope I dont have to come from L (opposite table) to take care of an out of control coach, just because it doesnt "bother" my partner or they dont "feel like" doing paperwork

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I have said this before and I will say this again. The best officials I have worked at the high school level are almost always college officials or have college experience. And the main reason is they go to camps on a regular basis and they realize their responsibility. And most of all they do not defer to others to take care of business or speak for them. Many long time high school veterans do things they did 20 years ago and stop evolving as officiating as evolved in that same time.

Peace

I'm not going to disagree with any of this, because I can't. You're right, most of the best officials I've worked with work some college.

But they're also the ones who decide to use college mechanics in a HS game. They're also the ones who misapply rules because they're using NCAA rules rather than NFHS.

Is it universal? No. Is it a majority? No. Is it a significant minority? No. But it happens often enough to warrant mention.

And the fact is I've had more bs from college officials working hs games than from hs officials.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by tref

Speaking more on mental approaches to the GAME than individual attitudes.

So you're saying that the high school game has a mental approach that is inherently problematic (aka "bs")?

Such as?

[tref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

So you're saying that the high school game has a mental approach that is inherently problematic (aka "bs")?

Such as?

Not overall, just some officials that work the HS game. See post # 19

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

But they're also the ones who decide to use college mechanics in a HS game. They're also the ones who misapply rules because they're using NCAA rules rather than NFHS.

That is bs too, use the preferred mechanics/rules of the level you are working that night.

[Adam]

Post #19 reflects the attitude I've experienced at the high school level; get it right. I haven't seen the territorial types you seem to have.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by tref

I hear ya JR... way to put your own spin on it. Never said the HS level was bs, the mentality of some who work that level is though.

As long as the people that do the hiring & scheduling like what I do
Your internet opinions of me & my abilities simply do not matter. But I told you this once before.

Ch!town, you used to be completely full of sh!t. Now with your newly-gained vast experience in the last year or so, you're only down a pint.

Feel free to tell us all about the state high school finals and NCAA D1 games you're now doing since you changed your name and locale.

You'll never change. You'll aways be the same ol' Ch!town that we knew and loved.

[tref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Post #19 reflects the attitude I've experienced at the high school level; get it right. I haven't seen the territorial types you seem to have.

You sir, have been more fortunate than I. Perhaps you working the 7pm primetime contests & me working the 4pm opening act is the difference


JR dont you have some turnbacks to re-assign?

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by tref

JR dont you have some turnbacks to re-assign?

I'll take 'em! Games are little light to come by this year.

[tref]

Originally Posted by Welpe

I'll take 'em! Games are little light to come by this year.

Work for JR? Better you than me!!
Hell, I dont think he would ever give me a game

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Welpe

I'll take 'em! Games are little light to come by this year.

Really? Here in Hell they all love to run tip-off tournaments at this time of year....J/V, V, etc. And it usually takes 'em all a coupla games to adjust back to what we allow them to get away with versus the loosey-goosey AAU/rec ball games they've been playing all summer.

[Welpe]

We have a fair amount of tournaments going on but I can't seem to swing any. Guess I need another year or two.

[DLH17]

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Welpe

We have a fair amount of tournaments going on but I can't seem to swing any. Guess I need another year or two.

That I don't agree with, from my standpoint anyway. These opening games are a perfect time to see how some of the newer guys have improved with summer games, camps, etc. and whether they're now ready to move up. Put 'em in with an experienced official and evaluate both of 'em. I can't look at 'em all but we've got an evaluation committee set-up to help me out.

JMO

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I'm not going to disagree with any of this, because I can't. You're right, most of the best officials I've worked with work some college.

But they're also the ones who decide to use college mechanics in a HS game. They're also the ones who misapply rules because they're using NCAA rules rather than NFHS.

Is it universal? No. Is it a majority? No. Is it a significant minority? No. But it happens often enough to warrant mention.

And the fact is I've had more bs from college officials working hs games than from hs officials.

For the record I am almost primarily talking about Men's officials and boy's basketball. And Men's mechanics almost entirely mirror what we do at the NF from coverage area to signals. So there are not many "college mechanics" they do that would be in conflict. But there are signals that officials use that are not in any book and it does not matter what level the officials are you will see those from time to time.

Peace