Legally Equipped? Why Do We Ask?

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Personally I think that the dedicated table officials like chseagles should be issued tasers. It can be used at his own discretion on players with illegal equipment, officials who won't follow his direction, etc.

His discretion? I'm staying on the east coast!

As for "the Eagle" for me, the ROCK said it best......"Know your role, and shut your mouth!"

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by grunewar

His discretion? I'm staying on the east coast!

As for "the Eagle" for me, the ROCK said it best......"Know your role, and shut your mouth!"

I'd only use the taser against unruly hot mommas. I wouldn't be mean enough to use it against floor officials, maybe just against coaches trying to tell me how to run things when they have their own team to run.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by chseagle

So what would happen if a parent or other spectator mentions to you about a player being in the game with an illegal item? Are you going to tell them the same thing? "It's none of your concern, just watch the game"

Being my background in security/crowd control, I care about the safety of those on the court (players & floor officials). Technically, (as I've said what seems like a million times) the table crew is supposed to be concerned about the safety of those on the court as they are part of the officiating crew.

Show me documentation otherwise that says that the table crew are not part of the officiating crew then your argument MIGHT stand a chance.

Good grief - what is it lately with scorekeepers and their delusions of grandeur. First my crazy scorekeeper in softball, and now this...

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

C'mon Billy, I am not listening to a fan about the clock. I am not putting time based on the fan or what they are complaining about.

Please re-read my post. I didn't state that an official should listen to a fan's opinion regarding how much time to put on the clock. I just indicated that as an official, if I hear several fans yelling, "Clock, clock, clock", I'm going to "look" at the clock. If it's running when it's not supposed to be, I'm noting the time that I see on the game clock, sounding my whistle to try to get the clock stopped, and once stopped get together with my partner, and the table crew, to get the clock reset to the correct time, as near as we can figure by rule.

Please don't try to tell me that in this situation, waving in substitutes during a dead ball, clock stopped, scenario, that when several fans yell, "Clock, clock, clock", that you're not going to glance at the clock. Be honest.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

First my crazy scorekeeper in softball, and now this.

chseagle does softball ???

[BillyMac]

Inquiring minds want to know.

The "Garden State" and the "Bluegrass State":
"The National High School Federation and your state association require officials to enforce sportsmanship rules. High school athletics emphasize positive values. All of us have worked hard to create a sense of teamwork, respect, responsibility and perspective. We remind you that we expect good behavior and will quickly penalize misconduct. We encourage and appreciate your help. Let the competition reflect mutual respect among participants and officials. Coaches please certify that your players are legally equipped and uniformed according the NFHS rules. Good luck and have a great contest!" (New Jersey State Interscholastic Athletic Association, Kentucky High School Athletic Association)

The "Keystone State":
"PIAA requires all registered sports' officials to enforce the sportsmanship rules for coaches and contestants. Actions meant to demean opposing players, team, spectators and officials are not in the highest ideals of interscholastic education and will not be tolerated. Let today's contest reflect mutual respect. Coaches please certify to the umpire that your players are legally equipped and uniformed according to NFHS rules. Good luck in today's contest." (Pennsylvania Interscholastic Athletic Association)

The "Sunshine State":
To captains: "The FHSAA requires officials to enforce all rules regarding unsportsmanlike conduct by players and coaches. Violators will be ejected. It is strongly suggested that you remind your teammates and coaches
of this policy. Additionally, this is a simple reminder that jewelry is not allowed, and jerseys must be tucked in during play if they are designed to be worn in." To coaches: "Coaches, do you certify that your players are properly equipped and will demonstrate sportsmanlike behavior during today’s contest?" (Florida High School Activities Association)

Are there others?

[Kingsman1288]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Personally I think that the dedicated table officials like chseagles should be issued tasers. It can be used at his own discretion on players with illegal equipment, officials who won't follow his direction, etc.

This just made my day...I almost spit my drink all over my laptop

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Please re-read my post. I didn't state that an official should listen to a fan's opinion regarding how much time to put on the clock. I just indicated that as an official, if I hear several fans yelling, "Clock, clock, clock", I'm going to "look" at the clock. If it's running when it's not supposed to be, I'm noting the time that I see on the game clock, sounding my whistle to try to get the clock stopped, and once stopped get together with my partner, and the table crew, to get the clock reset to the correct time, as near as we can figure by rule.

Please don't try to tell me that in this situation, waving in substitutes during a dead ball, clock stopped, scenario, that when several fans yell, "Clock, clock, clock", that you're not going to glance at the clock. Be honest.

Billy I have been doing college ball since about 2001. I have learned to be obsessed with the clock because of the way you have to pay attention to the shot clock and if that starts properly or not. I do not need a fan to yell for me to notice when the clock starts or stops. As a matter of fact when I am the new trail I often look at the clock to gauge my speed of the count.

I have notice problems with the clock (as well as other officials) without any complaining from the fans at all. Which is why I do not care what fans yell and not my job to care. Now maybe you feel you need that help, I do not or rely on things the fans say. Now that is honest. And if I did not see the clock move or start wrong, if I do not notice it then we are not doing anything.

Probably a better and more common example is the scoreboard. How many times a game a fan thinks they did not award a point. I never respond to those or care. If the coach or player has an issue I might worry about it for a minute but only if they are worried about it for several minutes. I am not stopping the game to check even that. Because usually the second they complain the table people correct it.

If that is what you do, cool. Not what I do or worry about. Fans yell all kinds of things. And a uniform issue is quite different than a clock issue anyway. Still does not mean I am going to pay that close attention to the fans.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Fans yell all kinds of things. Still does not mean I am going to pay that close attention to the fans.

I never said anything about paying close attention to fans.

I would still like you to answer my question. While your waving in substitutes, making sure that three come in, and three go out, with your attention directed toward the six players moving on, and off, the court, not looking at the clock at that specific time, and several fans yell, "Clock, clock, clock", that you're not going to glance at the clock. How could you ignore them?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Inquiring minds want to know.

The "Garden State" and the "Bluegrass State":
Coaches please certify that your players are legally equipped and uniformed according the NFHS rules.

The "Keystone State":
Coaches please certify to the umpire that your players are legally equipped and uniformed according to NFHS rules.

The "Sunshine State":
To coaches: "Coaches, do you certify that your players are properly equipped and will demonstrate sportsmanlike behavior during today’s contest?" (Florida High School Activities Association)

Are there others?

Hope so. Read NFHS rule 2-4-5 lately?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Are there others?

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

2-4-5

Verify with the head coach, prior to each contest, that his/her team
member’s uniforms and equipment are legal and will be worn properly, and that
all participants will exhibit proper sporting behavior throughout the contest.

I was referring to a script for states in addition to New Jersey, Kentucky, Florida, and Pennsylvania. Also, are these still valid in those states, or has the script changed recently. These scripts are rather dated.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I never said anything about paying close attention to fans.

I would still like you to answer my question. While your waving in substitutes, making sure that three come in, and three go out, with your attention directed toward the six players moving on, and off, the court, not looking at the clock at that specific time, and several fans yell, "Clock, clock, clock", that you're not going to glance at the clock. How could you ignore them?

Like I ignore them every other time. Billy, I do not need the fans to yell something to notice something. And just because they yell something does not mean they are right or know what they are talking about. It is not that hard.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Like I ignore them every other time. It is not that hard.

“Success in any endeavor requires single-minded attention to detail and total concentration.” (Willie Sutton)

[Kelvin green]

My thoughts.

What does legally equipped mean?
In my mind when the question deal with game management.

If a player is sent out of the game to fix a uniform violation or an equipment problem, and the coach yells at us for taking their "star player" out at a key time our response can include coach you told me they were legal....I discovered that the player was not... (Read this as your fault not mine that the player is out because if you really had done your job you would know they werent legal and should not have been put in in the first place)

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Personally I think that the dedicated table officials like chseagles should be issued tasers.

Based on the many references to crowd control, I'm assuming eagle has his own personal taser, probably with his initials on it.