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Old Fri Oct 29, 2010, 12:28pm
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Yeah, that's a lot of money going to you for each game.
But do you think that it is fair ??

My association is getting you $67 a game.

I also charge you the assigner's fee after your second turnback.

Man's gotta make a living !!!!!
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Old Fri Oct 29, 2010, 02:24pm
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But do you think that it is fair ??

My association is getting you $67 a game.

I also charge you the assigner's fee after your second turnback.

Man's gotta make a living !!!!!
Oh, I'm not judging whether it's fair or not.

Are there any penalties you have to pay for screw-ups? Sending too many officials to a game. Failing to assign a game. Failing to notify a crew when a game time has been changed. Assiging a game to someone on a closed date.

Not being critical, just asking.
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Old Fri Oct 29, 2010, 02:51pm
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Oh, I'm not judging whether it's fair or not.

Are there any penalties you have to pay for screw-ups? Sending too many officials to a game. Failing to assign a game. Failing to notify a crew when a game time has been changed. Assiging a game to someone on a closed date.

Not being critical, just asking.
No fines paid by me.

If there is a game that was changed and I wasn't notified, my guys get a full fee.

The arbiter doesn't really allow you to send extra officials to a game.

If I assign you and the date is closed, two things occur. The arbiter has a big red letter B or you turn it back and then talk bad about me to everyone.

I missed two jv games last year. The arbiter lets the A.D.'s see the schedule.

If the game isn't listed they should call me. We just made up the games

at a later date.........


If you have the right day job assigning can be a lotta fun.

The question to be asked is.........

Do you assign for the coaches or do you assign to keep your guys happy?


We can really have some fun with that !!!!
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Old Fri Oct 29, 2010, 03:52pm
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No fines paid by me.

If there is a game that was changed and I wasn't notified, my guys get a full fee.

The arbiter doesn't really allow you to send extra officials to a game.

If I assign you and the date is closed, two things occur. The arbiter has a big red letter B or you turn it back and then talk bad about me to everyone.

I missed two jv games last year. The arbiter lets the A.D.'s see the schedule.

If the game isn't listed they should call me. We just made up the games

at a later date.........


If you have the right day job assigning can be a lotta fun.

The question to be asked is.........

Do you assign for the coaches or do you assign to keep your guys happy?


We can really have some fun with that !!!!
Prior to this season my old commissioner did it by pencil & pad and had one his trusted friends convert it to an excel spread sheet so we had a lot of the above incidents. It just seemed fair to me that if we got fined for certain things than the commissioner should get fined as well. This season we have a new commissioner and we have ARBITER so those things shouldn't happen anymore, hopefully.
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Old Fri Oct 29, 2010, 04:07pm
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Old Sat Oct 30, 2010, 09:21am
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But do you think that it is fair ??
The concept of a "fair price" went out with the rise of capitalism, and survives today only in such quaint notions as "price gouging."
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The question to be asked is.........

Do you assign for the coaches or do you assign to keep your guys happy?

We can really have some fun with that !!!!
To me this is the "heart" of the matter. In my opinion the assignors Look out for themselves 1st, the Coaches 2nd, and the referees a distant 3rd only because they are necessary to allow them to earn their money.

In my Day job I work as an "Independent" insurance agent. Since I am not employed by any one insurance company, I work to find the best coverages for the customer by what ever reputable company can provide the best coverage for the lowest total cost. I have a dual fiduciary responsibility to both the customer and the company.

I think an assignor should be seeking to get the best pay, travel reimbursement and working conditions for the referees they represent. Instead, what I most often see is the assignor working to get the most compensation for themselves by cowering to coaches and leagues and dumping any referee who any coach is unable to over run.

Result is assignor compensation keeps growing while the compensation of the people doing the work stays flat, continuing to fall behind the inflation rate of travel and other costs.
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Old Sun Oct 31, 2010, 12:43am
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Result is assignor compensation keeps growing while the compensation of the people doing the work stays flat, continuing to fall behind the inflation rate of travel and other costs.
Are you sure about that? Most assignors that I know of are paid on a percentage of the officials pay....and the rates are staying constant. The official get more, the assignor gets more....on a proportional basis.
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Old Sun Oct 31, 2010, 10:14am
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Are you sure about that? Most assignors that I know of are paid on a percentage of the officials pay....and the rates are staying constant. The official get more, the assignor gets more....on a proportional basis.
Not around here in either of the two sports I work. The BB assignor charges the School ~$100 per varsity schedule and ~$75 per JV schedule AND charge the referees $1 per assignment. Plus the Association charges $85/Varsity and $75/JV referee to be a member. The Assignor and supervisors pay themselves $2,000 per season, which increased $500 this season, after they "took over" the association a "kicked out" the elected leadership.

Soccer assignors are paid by the Schools/Leagues that have increased payment to assignors over the last 4 years but the referee compensation has not changed.

It may be better elsewhere, but around here it is akin to indentured servitude. Enough compensation to keep you "alive" but no equity.
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Old Sun Oct 31, 2010, 12:07pm
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Connecticut 2010-11 basketball fees (two person games):
Varsity: $88.28 per official
Subvarsity (junior varsity, freshman, middle school): $57.25 per official
No mileage. It's a small state. We stay in our local county. My county has a radius of appoximately 25 miles from the geographic center of the county.
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Connecticut 2010-11 basketball fees (two person games):
Varsity: $88.28 per official
Subvarsity (junior varsity, freshman, middle school): $57.25 per official
No mileage. It's a small state. We stay in our local county. My county has a radius of appoximately 25 miles from the geographic center of the county.
Hey Billy,

After you pay the assignor fee...what does the official end up with?
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Old Mon Nov 01, 2010, 08:11pm
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Billy, After you pay the assignor fee, what does the official end up with?
Varsity: $88.28 - 7% = $82.10
Subvarsity: $57.25 - 7% = $53.24
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Old Tue Nov 02, 2010, 03:01pm
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To me this is the "heart" of the matter. In my opinion the assignors Look out for themselves 1st, the Coaches 2nd, and the referees a distant 3rd only because they are necessary to allow them to earn their money.

In my Day job I work as an "Independent" insurance agent. Since I am not employed by any one insurance company, I work to find the best coverages for the customer by what ever reputable company can provide the best coverage for the lowest total cost. I have a dual fiduciary responsibility to both the customer and the company.

I think an assignor should be seeking to get the best pay, travel reimbursement and working conditions for the referees they represent. Instead, what I most often see is the assignor working to get the most compensation for themselves by cowering to coaches and leagues and dumping any referee who any coach is unable to over run.

Result is assignor compensation keeps growing while the compensation of the people doing the work stays flat, continuing to fall behind the inflation rate of travel and other costs.


Hey - I am not out here trying to be the bad guy, as I understand that most officials on this thread haven't been an assigner (at the hs level, assigning midget games on sat. morning doesn't count !!!!!), but here me out.

What I do is no different than any college assigner. Within my leagues, I have the following six quality schools that can beat the snot out of each other and six that suck...... I start you off with the jv of the schools that suck and then the good jv schools. After you handle that, (2 years) I will do the same with the varsity and throw you some cross over varsity games.
Games where you know the final score before the game starts.

Fred Barakat use to do the same when he had the Big South / Colonial / ACC.

Let me see how you do with Radford @ UVa in Nov. before you work NC

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Do you think that any assigner wants phone calls ??? Inevitably none of us

(referees) are that good. We can all be replaced by someone almost just as

good. I ride one of my officials like a rented mule. He works everyday and I

hear nothing negative from coaches / AD's and he doesn't ***** if the game

is garbage.

Hey even at the hs level, I would argue that a friday hoops game can be

more difficult just becuase of a bigger crowd on a friday night.


We can go on and on......inevitably if you aren't getting the schedule

you think you deserve call the assigner and if that doesn't work, then maybe

you need to cut ties.


Some assigner's are rules guys and some are game management guys.


I personally could care less about mechanics. Do you get plays right

and do you take care of the benches and manage the game.

Burr stayed around for 1 zillion years because he was a great game manager.

Now Adams is the boss and look at Burr's post season asignments.


OK !!!! I am now winded.

Feel free to fire back
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Old Wed Nov 03, 2010, 02:30am
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Hey, Multiple Sports, don't change the topic.
The point of this discussion is the compensation of the assignors, not the schedules of the officials. Stay on point.
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