Is there a case for this sit?

[stosh]

A1 shoots a 3-point attempt and while A1 is airborn, B1 pushes A2 into A1 causing A1 to fall to the floor. I called a foul on B1 for the push on A2 and awarded the ball OOB nearest the spot of the foul. Coach A wanted to know why it wasn't a shooting foul since the foul obviously affected his shooter. I didn't have an answer, other than that the contact by B1 was on A2 and not on A1, but I really see the coaches point. Any advice?

[Adam]

You called it right. I don't know of any way to get coaches to stop trying to squeeze more out of us on these plays, so take his words with a grain of salt.

[Corndog89]

Did B1 push A2 intentionally to disrupt the shot? If so, call it an intentional foul.

I used to do this a lot in rec leagues many years ago, and I was never called for a foul a single time. Of course, it could be rec league refs...who knows?

[stosh]

Originally Posted by Corndog89

Did B1 push A2 intentionally to disrupt the shot? If so, call it an intentional foul.

I used to do this a lot in rec leagues many years ago, and I was never called for a foul a single time. Of course, it could be rec league refs...who knows?

I thought about that, but really B1 was just pushing through a screen to try and defend A1's shot and was too forceful in pushing A2 into A1. A2 falling into A1 actually made it impossible for B1 to make any contact on A1 or we may have had a multiple foul situation.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by stosh

I thought about that, but really B1 was just pushing through a screen to try and defend A1's shot and was too forceful in pushing A2 into A1. A2 falling into A1 actually made it impossible for B1 to make any contact on A1 or we may have had a multiple foul situation.

Would have been a false multiple foul, actually. And I wouldn't hesitate to call it if a defender forced his way (illegally) through a screen and proceded to foul the shooter (assuming the try had begun prior to the first foul.)

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Corndog89

Did B1 push A2 intentionally to disrupt the shot? If so, call it an intentional foul.

No, don't. As described, that play meets neither criterion for an intentional foul.

[APG]

Originally Posted by mbyron

No, don't. As described, that play meets neither criterion for an intentional foul.

I agree with mbyron.

[Adam]

I would have to be positive it was intentional before I'd pull out the X.

[Corndog89]

Originally Posted by stosh

A1 shoots a 3-point attempt and while A1 is airborn, B1 pushes A2 into A1 causing A1 to fall to the floor. I called a foul on B1 for the push on A2 and awarded the ball OOB nearest the spot of the foul. Coach A wanted to know why it wasn't a shooting foul since the foul obviously affected his shooter. I didn't have an answer, other than that the contact by B1 was on A2 and not on A1, but I really see the coaches point. Any advice?

[QUOTE=Corndog89;712233]Did B1 push A2 intentionally to disrupt the shot? If so, call it an intentional foul.{/QUOTE]

Originally Posted by mbyron

No, don't. As described, that play meets neither criterion for an intentional foul.

The OP doesn't necessarily address the intent of B1, but I agree there was no intent as described. However, what if B1 did push A2 with the clear intent to knock him into A1 to disrupt A1's shot? Would that not fit the criterion?

My intent was not to tell Stosh what to do, but to ask him if there was intent, thereby presenting another possible option. I should have more precisely stated "If so, you could call it an intentional foul."

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Corndog89

The OP doesn't necessarily address the intent of B1, but I agree there was no intent as described. However, what if B1 did push A2 with the clear intent to knock him into A1 to disrupt A1's shot? Would that not fit the criterion?

There are 2 ways for a foul to be an intentional foul, and the intent -- clear or otherwise -- of the fouler is not part of either one.

[just another ref]

4-19-1: A personal foul is a player foul which involves illegal contact with an opponent....... which hinders an opponent from performing normal defensive and offensive movements.

The contact in this case hindered A2 in that in kept him from performing his normal offensive movement, which was staying out of A1's way.