ESPN OTL on Officials

[CaRef5]

Hey fellas i found this video/article on ESPN! Check it out!

I especially liked what John Adams said

"The ideal official," Adams said, "would be a 35-year old guy that can run like a deer and that has 20 years experience, which would mean he would have to start at 15 and that's not happening."

good insight

NCAA basketball officials must balance real jobs, family and part-time officiating duties - ESPN



oh and has anyone here ever attended this camp before?!

[JRutledge]

I have attended the Dale Kelley version of this camp. This was the first year of Shaw running a camp under this position so I did not attend this year because of a few conflicts.

But I did like the piece and think it did reflect a realistic view of the camp scene. Not sure they showed what to do to fix or if there was a problem with officiating.

For the record John Adams seemed to like the video as he was in the piece and sent an email to all those registered with the NCAA site.

Funny I recognized a couple of people at that camp.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by CaRef5

"The ideal official," Adams said, "would be a 35-year old guy that can run like a deer and that has 20 years experience, which would mean he would have to start at 15 and that's not happening."!

How about a 35-year old gal?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

How about a 35-year old gal?

It would not take her that long to get to that level if she was any good. The story did not go to a Woman's camp either.

Also Adams is not over Woman's basketball and I can tell you he does not care much for it.

Peace

[amusedofficial]

Unfortunately, people who meet Adams description are usually playing until they are 22 years old and it takes them a few years beyond that to get certified/licensed/patched or whatever you call it in your neck of this Great Land of Ours.

Most organizations do the initial book training in the fall, when college hoop players are starting practice and going to school and have no time for it. Plus, the local chapter is often in a location that students without cars have a tough time getting to

Why not hold some initial training in the summer for college athletes interested in reffing after their graduation? They could then work as accredited officials in spring and summer leagues and AAU and gain experience.

It would shave years off making them ready for NCAA (or even high school varsity) games which they could then start to do while still in very good shape.

Unfortunately, many accrediting/licensing/patching groups don't really want a lot of young, athletic officials, with experience tempered by actually playing the game at a high level, for those plum varsity and state tourney games, so aren't going to make it easier any time soon.

[tomegun]

The fact that coaches are comfortable with veteran officials - regardless of whether they are doing the best job - plus the fact that veteran officials will not give up games willingly cancels everything else out.

Mr. Adams seems to be bringing about change slowly, but the science behind officiating isn't necessarily supporting some veteran officials and it is something seldom mentioned.

[tomegun]

The fact that coaches are comfortable with veteran officials - regardless of whether they are doing the best job - plus the fact that veteran officials will not give up games willingly cancels everything else out.

Mr. Adams seems to be bringing about change slowly, but the science behind officiating isn't necessarily supporting some veteran officials and it is something seldom mentioned.

[Judtech]

Originally Posted by tomegun

The fact that coaches are comfortable with veteran officials - regardless of whether they are doing the best job - plus the fact that veteran officials will not give up games willingly cancels everything else out.

Mr. Adams seems to be bringing about change slowly, but the science behind officiating isn't necessarily supporting some veteran officials and it is something seldom mentioned.

That is an interesting word. It begs the question: Is officiating an Art or a Science? I'm feeling vaklempt, tawk amungst youselves!

[IREFU2]

I think the NCAA in a whole is looking to have everyone apply the rules to the game instead of ones own personal philosopies or what they have been taught.

[JRutledge]

Until the NCAA takes over all conference assigning or has supervisors that buy into the NCAA philosophy, then that is not going to happen. And these seems to be the case as it was said at a camp I attended earlier this year that Shaw was going to have a little different approach to his staff than the previous supervisor. So if others are like Shaw then Adams will be happy. But the problem is there are still guys around that want things done their way and get upset when officials apply certain rules to the letter.

Peace

[Multiple Sports]

JRut -

I couldn't agree with you more. Each supervisor has his own philosophy.

Back East, Forte has all his officials looking like clones of the NBA staff.

Larry Rose wants you to use only the mechanics in the manual and Lopes/

Greenwood cut their teeth in the Big East, so you know what that means,

no blood no foul !!!!!!!

The only way all collegeiate officials will ever get on the same page is if the

NCAA takes the whole boat over and we know that will never happen.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by amusedofficial

Why not hold some initial training in the summer for college athletes interested in reffing after their graduation? They could then work as accredited officials in spring and summer leagues and AAU and gain experience.

Not if they're on scholarship.

[CaRef5]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Not if they're on scholarship.

only if they're getting paid would it matter...but if its all "community service" then its a non issue right?!