Running clock & thoughts from officials

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Or is it? When does it stop "during free throws"? When you hand the shooter the ball? When you report to the table? When the whistle is blown?

If it is the latter, the clock operator must know if there will be FTs or not in order to know whether the clock will stop or not. At a minimum, they must wait until the official indicates who the foul is on and if there will be FTs.

Sure, it is not really that big of a deal, but it isn't "that simple".

No, it really is that simple. Even for those people who try to overanalyze everything.

At the point the official reports a foul to the table and indicates free throws will be attempted, the clock stops.

As to why they added that rule - I have no idea. As the Light Brigade once learned, "Ours is not to wonder why..."

[justacoach]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Thanks for the clarifications, I'm trying to find contact information for the local board/association &, when I do, asking if I can attend a meeting before the season starts. This way I have a pool of experts I can ask in person beforehand, instead of at the last second in the middle of a game.

You're gonna need an asbestos overcoat by the time you're done with that meeting!!

[Rich]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Oh, they're just going to LOVE you!

Reminds me of the scorer who tries to tell me that I can't whistle in a sub until he's squatting on the X and has formally reported to him and the horn's blown. My first thought is, "Yeah, and I can replace you" as I continue to do exactly what I always do.

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Reminds me of the scorer who tries to tell me that I can't whistle in a sub until he's squatting on the X and has formally reported to him and the horn's blown. My first thought is, "Yeah, and I can replace you" as I continue to do exactly what I always do.

Well, you and "the Eagle" are just not going to be able to coexist!

[Rich]

Originally Posted by grunewar

Well, you and "the Eagle" are just not going to be able to coexist!

Heh. To be honest, I've only removed one scorer in 23 years.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Oh, they're just going to LOVE you!

About as much as we've come to......

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Like I stated before, I am asking so that I can have a better understanding. I'm trying to get information from the local association as well when the season gets closer I will be asking the School AD about it.

Maybe you need to tell us what exactly it is that you need a better understanding of. Not stopping the clock is pretty dang easy. Stop it only when you are supposed to (sound like that means time outs and free throws in your area... just time outs here). What is there to understand. Trust me, if you ask your school AD how to not stop the clock, you're going to be laughed at... maybe not to your face, but it WILL happen.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Heh. To be honest, I've only removed one scorer in 23 years.

That's funny ... I have a total of 4 ejections in ALL of my football games over the years... and one of them was a scorekeeper / clock operator.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

No, it really is that simple. Even for those people who try to overanalyze everything.

At the point the official reports a foul to the table and indicates free throws will be attempted, the clock stops.

As to why they added that rule - I have no idea. As the Light Brigade once learned, "Ours is not to wonder why..."

And that addition makes it simple. Without that clarification, there were too many options.

Personally, I'd prefer to see it run through the FTs....FTs sometimes make up the largest component of stop-clock time. Simple violations (OOB, traveling, etc.) just don't take that much time.

And yes, I thoroughly analyze everything. That is why I rarely mess up a rule on the court. On more than a few occasions, I have had partners who think they are too good to study the rules think I've missed something and make an AT&T call in front of me....only to be the wrong call (not judgement, but simply the wrong call). There is little I dislike more than a hot-shot referee that makes up their own rules because they don't know the real ones.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

And yes, I thoroughly analyze everything. That is why I rarely mess up a rule on the court. On more than a few occasions, I have had partners who think they are too good to study the rules think I've missed something and make an AT&T call in front of me....only to be the wrong call (not judgement, but simply the wrong call). There is little I dislike more than a hot-shot referee that makes up their own rules because they don't know the real ones.

Interesting.

For the record, the analyze comment was not directed at you.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Interesting.

For the record, the analyze comment was not directed at you.

Thanks...but that shoe does fit some times.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Reminds me of the scorer who tries to tell me that I can't whistle in a sub until he's squatting on the X and has formally reported to him and the horn's blown. My first thought is, "Yeah, and I can replace you" as I continue to do exactly what I always do.

LMAO I just make sure they're recorded in the official book. I actually appreciate it when I don't have to hit the horn to notify of subs. Less of a headache then.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

Maybe you need to tell us what exactly it is that you need a better understanding of. Not stopping the clock is pretty dang easy. Stop it only when you are supposed to (sound like that means time outs and free throws in your area... just time outs here). What is there to understand. Trust me, if you ask your school AD how to not stop the clock, you're going to be laughed at... maybe not to your face, but it WILL happen.

As I stated in an earlier post, differnet state associations have different rules regarding the same thing.

Concerning the school AD, at times, I question his capabilities especially when it comes to Game Day Operations. However with him being the AD, he is supposed to be on top of all new rules/regulations. What I'd be asking him is just his thoughts of the rule & if all personnel involved are going to be notified.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by chseagle

1) As I stated in an earlier post, differnet state associations have different rules regarding the same thing.

2) Concerning the school AD, at times, I question his capabilities especially when it comes to Game Day Operations.

1) If different states have their own local timing rules, it's no concern of yours. If you're talking about your own state, I doubt very much the WIAA will let any local associations play with their state rules. And....a 30-second trip to Google to look up the WIAA website finds that all you freaking have to do is send an e-mail to Cindy Adsit, the WIAA Assistant Executive Director for basketball and she'll answer any question about timing you might have. Her e-mail is:
[email protected]
Please don't tell her that it was me who gave you her e-mail addy. I might have to go in the Witness Protection Program if she ever finds out who sicced you on her.

2) I'm shocked! Shocked, I tell ya!

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by chseagle

I actually appreciate it when I don't have to hit the horn to notify of subs. Less of a headache then.

And we appreciate it as well. I hate it when I'm waving in substitutes and the timer insists on hitting the horn. Like the horn is necessary to make the substitutes legal or something like that?