Running clock & thoughts from officials

[chseagle]

How easy is the running clock to institute?

For those that have been in a game with it, how often do you have to remind coaches &/or table of the running clock?

I'm asking to be prepared in case I am asked to institute it.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by chseagle

How easy is the running clock to institute?

For those that have been in a game with it, how often do you have to remind coaches &/or table of the running clock?

I'm asking to be prepared in case I am asked to institute it.

A running clock should be easy to institute. The timer now has less to do, which should make them happy. LOL The only issues that arise are:

(a) switching from running to non-running time, and vice-versa
(b) the timer forgetting what "mode" the contest is "in" and therefore stopping, not stopping, or not starting the clock when it should be

If (a), then you could use a series of invented signals to the timer as a method to ensure that you and s/he are on the same page. Express it in exactly that manner: that the signal (example coming) is just so that you're aware of what the timer will do. The fact that your signal might remind him of the status of the clock is just an added unannounced feature.

If (b), the best method to fix the clock's status is to just use your voice. And if you need to do this, does it really matter that a second or two ticked off, or didn't tick off, in a 45-point blowout?


Signals to use:

I work some game where the scoring must drop back to half if the point spread (anytime during the game) becomes either 15 or 20 points. This change has no effect on the timing rules, but it does create a new violation with it's own penalty. The other official(s) and I need to be aware of when this situation arises and when it vanishes.

The signal that I invented is this:

When a team must first drop back to half, my P(s) and I signal two palms stretched apart, much like the "not closely guarded" signal. This signal is meant to show that separation must exist, representing the losing team's defensive end line and the division line.

When a pressing situation is back on, the signal is pressing the palms together, much like football's "safety touch" signal, but only at chest height instead of above the head.

Signals you could use:

Similarly, you could use a small football-style winding the clock signal to signify running time; using the finger only, and slightly in front of your chest. When the losing team scores again to revert their deficit to under 45 points, use a signal such as palm out, chest high, and only a few inches in front of your body.

[APG]

Originally Posted by chseagle

How easy is the running clock to institute?

It's not rocket science...don't stop the clock over a certain point threshold. If the timer was able to stop it before, then they'll be able to let it run.

Originally Posted by chseagle

For those that have been in a game with it, how often do you have to remind coaches &/or table of the running clock?

I'm asking to be prepared in case I am asked to institute it.

In leagues that I've worked with that use the running clock, there might only need to be one reminder to the table. Most of the time it isn't an issue cause if we're close to the threshold, I'll go over to the table and remind them when the clock needs to running and when it needs to stop if we dip under the required threshold. The coach of the losing team isn't going to be worried about the clock running and either is the winning coach.

[grunewar]

Most involved obviously don't mind as it gets the game over quickly....and it's not much of a game anyhow.

As has been stated, clock ops have less to do. My instructions - "Leave the clock run and only stop it for TOs." How hard is that? In one Rec League we even leave it run during FT shots.

If you bring the coaches together and remind them of the rules I find it helps clarify any potential issues and confusion.

[chseagle]

To clarify, here's what the 2010-2011 WIAA Handboook says concerning the Running Clock:

52.7.0 NFHS Basketball Rule 5-5-3, utilizing a 40-point differential, will apply for all regular season & postseason contests. Beginning in the second half, if the point differential is 40 points or more,
the game clock shall run continuously for the remainder of the game except for an official’s timeout, a charged time-out, time between quarters, or the administration of free throws.

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

A running clock should be easy to institute. The timer now has less to do, which should make them happy. LOL The only issues that arise are:

(a) switching from running to non-running time, & vice-versa
(b) the timer forgetting what "mode" the contest is "in" & therefore stopping, not stopping, or not starting the clock when it should be

If (a), then you could use a series of invented signals to the timer as a method to ensure that you & s/he are on the same page. Express it in exactly that manner: that the signal (example coming) is just so that you're aware of what the timer will do. The fact that your signal might remind him of the status of the clock is just an added unannounced feature.

If (b), the best method to fix the clock's status is to just use your voice. And if you need to do this, does it really matter that a second or two ticked off, or didn't tick off, in a 45-point blowout?

Signals to use:

I work some game where the scoring must drop back to half if the point spread (anytime during the game) becomes either 15 or 20 points. This change has no effect on the timing rules, but it does create a new violation with it's own penalty. The other official(s) & I need to be aware of when this situation arises and when it vanishes.

The signal that I invented is this:

When a team must first drop back to half, my P(s) & I signal two palms stretched apart, much like the "not closely guarded" signal. This signal is meant to show that separation must exist, representing the losing team's defensive end line & the division line.

When a pressing situation is back on, the signal is pressing the palms together, much like football's "safety touch" signal, but only at chest height instead of above the head.

Signals you could use:

Similarly, you could use a small football-style winding the clock signal to signify running time; using the finger only, & slightly in front of your chest. When the losing team scores again to revert their deficit to under 45 points, use a signal such as palm out, chest high, and only a few inches in front of your body.

Juggling, I'm asking the questions pertaining to Table Operations as I have been Timer/Scoreboard & Shot Clock.

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

It's not rocket science...don't stop the clock over a certain point threshold. If the timer was able to stop it before, then they'll be able to let it run.

In leagues that I've worked with that use the running clock, there might only need to be one reminder to the table. Most of the time it isn't an issue cause if we're close to the threshold, I'll go over to the table & remind them when the clock needs to running & when it needs to stop if we dip under the required threshold. The coach of the losing team isn't going to be worried about the clock running and either is the winning coach.

How I am reading/understanding the rule/regulation, the clock shall remain running even if the point differential falls below 40. As the season draws nearer, hopefully I'll get some further clarification on what to do if the point differential is below 40.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by chseagle

How I am reading/understanding the rule/regulation, the clock shall remain running even if the point differential falls below 40. As the season draws nearer, hopefully I'll get some further clarification on what to do if the point differential is below 40.

Go to whatever pre-season rules meeting the officials have to go to.

Ask the officials at the first game (they will probably bring it up anyway).

If there's a scrimmage at your school, ask the officials then.

Check the WIAA web-site for more information.

Find out when to stop (when the foul is called? -- what if you don't know whether FTs are involved? When you know? when the ball is at the disposal fo the shooter?) and start on FTs, and after a TO. (Those are two plays that are debated somewhat on these forums).

[constable]

Originally Posted by chseagle

To clarify, here's what the 2010-2011 WIAA Handboook says concerning the Running Clock:

52.7.0 NFHS Basketball Rule 5-5-3, utilizing a 40-point differential, will apply for all regular season & postseason contests. Beginning in the second half, if the point differential is 40 points or more,
the game clock shall run continuously for the remainder of the game except for an official’s timeout, a charged time-out, time between quarters, or the administration of free throws.



Juggling, I'm asking the questions pertaining to Table Operations as I have been Timer/Scoreboard & Shot Clock.



How I am reading/understanding the rule/regulation, the clock shall remain running even if the point differential falls below 40. As the season draws nearer, hopefully I'll get some further clarification on what to do if the point differential is below 40.

Table operations for a running clock game? It is simple. Don't stop the clock.

Problem solved. Next thread.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by chseagle

To clarify, here's what the 2010-2011 WIAA Handboook says concerning the Running Clock:

52.7.0 NFHS Basketball Rule 5-5-3, utilizing a 40-point differential, will apply for all regular season & postseason contests. Beginning in the second half, if the point differential is 40 points or more,
the game clock shall run continuously for the remainder of the game except for an official’s timeout, a charged time-out, time between quarters, or the administration of free throws.

Juggling, I'm asking the questions pertaining to Table Operations as I have been Timer/Scoreboard & Shot Clock.

How I am reading/understanding the rule/regulation, the clock shall remain running even if the point differential falls below 40. As the season draws nearer, hopefully I'll get some further clarification on what to do if the point differential is below 40.

You shouldn't need any clarification. The bold part is pretty clear, don't you think?

Originally Posted by constable

Table operations for a running clock game? It is simple. Don't stop the clock.

Problem solved. Next thread.

What ^ he said.

[Mark Padgett]

When you explain to the timer about the 45 point rule, make sure you use the term "point differential" and not "point spread".

[Adam]

Here, it's adopted at the league level in high school, and runs for everything but timeouts and quarter breaks.
It doesn't make sense to me to stop for free throws if you've decided to implement a mercy rule.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by constable

Table operations for a running clock game? It is simple. Don't stop the clock.

Problem solved. Next thread.

Constable, I am asking because of not seeing it actually implemented to have an understanding.

I was mentioning to Juggling about me being Table crew as the post s/he made was for a floor official.

[BktBallRef]

DOn't know why you're having problems understanding it.

Stop it during timeouts and FTs, end of story.

[Scuba_ref]

Originally Posted by chseagle

hopefully I'll get some further clarification on what to do if the point differential is below 40.

Given that I officiate in the State of Washington...

In the second half once we reach a point differential of 40 points or greater the clock will only stop for a time out, free throw administration, an officials time out or time between quarters. This doesn't change for the remainder of the game even if the point differential drops to below 40.

That is it, nothing more nothing less. My understanding of clock operations is limited as I am only an official, but I think once you get it running if you leave it alone it will contiune to run. But then again maybe I'm mistaken, maybe you need to feed it or whip it to keep it running.

[chseagle]

Right after we started the running clock V got 2 FTs & made both. Near the end of the game one of the V Spectators was complaining about the clock not stopping whatsoever, the Shot Clock operator started to say something to them, but I said to ignore them especially since we had very little time left.

It wasn't till the game was done that he turned around and explained that there's the running clock now. I did scold him though for even saying that, mentioning that the spectators need to learn the rules themselves or stop belly aching.

The 2 FTs by V was the only time the clock stopped.

BTW Scuba_ref, when during FTs when have you told the timer to stop the clock?

How I did it tonight was that I waited until the official signaled there would be 2 FTs.

Originally Posted by Scuba_ref

Given that I officiate in the State of Washington...

In the second half once we reach a point differential of 40 points or greater the clock will only stop for a time out, free throw administration, an officials time out or time between quarters. This doesn't change for the remainder of the game even if the point differential drops to below 40.

That is it, nothing more nothing less. My understanding of clock operations is limited as I am only an official, but I think once you get it running if you leave it alone it will contiune to run. But then again maybe I'm mistaken, maybe you need to feed it or whip it to keep it running.

[chseagle]

The funny thing was we had the running clock happening in the Girls' Varsity game at the same time.