"This is my livelihood..."

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by bainsey

...and a stop sign would be commonplace...

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by tomegun

Anyway, I have not yet heard this directly from a coach. I have heard it in the context of camps, and clinicians mentioning it in terms of officials needing to do our best when working at the college level.

So, in this case, the coach is effectively saying, "You are only officiating as a hobby. I do this for a living, and it's a crying shame my livelyhood has to depend on someone else's hobby." Isn't that the same thing as saying, "You don't put in the same time and effort I do, and because of that, I'm going to get screwed."?

Maybe I'm just grumpy on a Monday, but what other reason is there for a coach to say something like that other than to diminish our efforts? Perhaps even to say we are cheating somehow, or at least it's obviously not as important to us, because it's our hobby rather than our job? Can anyone tell me a legitimate reason as to why a coach would inform us of this useful bit of information? Would they also be willing to supply us with the details of their salary and bonus info from their contract as well, so we can verify it's really their livelyhood?

It just smacks of a creative way to say "I'm better than you; you're not as important as me." It's certainly not game-related in any way, and probably should be dealt with accordingly.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

Anyway, I have not yet heard this directly from a coach. I have heard it in the context of camps, and clinicians mentioning it in terms of officials needing to do our best when working at the college level.

So, in this case, the coach is effectively saying, "You are only officiating as a hobby. I do this for a living, and it's a crying shame my livelyhood has to depend on someone else's hobby." Isn't that the same thing as saying, "You don't put in the same time and effort I do, and because of that, I'm going to get screwed."?

Maybe I'm just grumpy on a Monday, but what other reason is there for a coach to say something like that other than to diminish our efforts? Perhaps even to say we are cheating somehow, or at least it's obviously not as important to us, because it's our hobby rather than our job? Can anyone tell me a legitimate reason as to why a coach would inform us of this useful bit of information? Would they also be willing to supply us with the details of their salary and bonus info from their contract as well, so we can verify it's really their livelyhood?

It just smacks of a creative way to say "I'm better than you; you're not as important as me." It's certainly not game-related in any way, and probably should be dealt with accordingly.

It's simply an extension of phrases I've heard at camps:

It's the kids game, not ours.

It's the coach's livelihood, not ours.

And these words are coming from people who are officials and are teaching officials. Personally, I think those statements and those feelings are crap. I won't even begin to pretend that my role matches the role of the coaches or players, but minimizing what we do out there and how important it is for us to have passion for officiating and to take our role seriously doesn't help our avocation, IMO.

[Judtech]

I have heard similar from Clinicians but not from coaches. The 'spirit' in which it was said, was to put an emphasis on how important OUR jobs are on the court. At the upper level, it is the OFFICIALS living as well so it is sort of a moot point on the D1 level for the most part. IMO, it is just another way for a coach to complain about how bad their teams is playing.
If I am not mistaken, NFL officials are not full time either. Just saying

[Adam]

First time, I'd ignore it; he may as well have asked for a three second call.
Second time, if game flow permits, I'd ask him, "What are you trying to say?" I may regret it and end up issuing a T, but I'm curious what the point is.

[Judtech]

There are no T's, but there is no prohibition about saying a prayer AGAINST someone. "Please God, let them trip on the way back to the bench, split their pants and rush out of here completely embarrasssed"

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Judtech

Please God, let them trip on the way back to the bench, split their pants and rush out of here completely embarrassed.

I do not remember this prayer being in my Baltimore Catechism.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I do not remember this prayer being in my Baltimore Catechism.

What about Philly?

[Judtech]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I do not remember this prayer being in my Baltimore Catechism.

Maybe it was in Latin?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by tomegun

When I was in Europe working a baseball tournament last month, I joked we would start carrying yellow and red cards since most of the coaches over there watched a lot of football (soccer).

It would work in basketball, too. Once in a while I'd accidentally on purpose grab the wrong card, too, just to give the coach a heart attack.

[Upward ref]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

When I was in Europe working a baseball tournament last month, I joked we would start carrying yellow and red cards since most of the coaches over there watched a lot of football (soccer).

It would work in basketball, too. Once in a while I'd accidentally on purpose grab the wrong card, too, just to give the coach a heart attack.

I think I'll use red and yellow cards this year. Last year I had a coach come stomping out on the court yelling at me to not correct "his kids", if i have a problem talk to him . problem is ,we cant give any t's in the church league ! red card would be almost as good of a message to coaches . lol

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Upward ref

I think I'll use red and yellow cards this year. Last year I had a coach come stomping out on the court yelling at me to not correct "his kids", if i have a problem talk to him . problem is ,we cant give any t's in the church league ! red card would be almost as good of a message to coaches . lol

What? No way I'd work that league.

[tref]

Originally Posted by Upward ref

I think I'll use red and yellow cards this year. Last year I had a coach come stomping out on the court yelling at me to not correct "his kids", if i have a problem talk to him . problem is ,we cant give any t's in the church league ! red card would be almost as good of a message to coaches . lol

Thats tough, you cant issue Ts in the church league, BUT the coaches are allowed to "stomp out on the court."

I'm w/Snaq! All money aint good money.

[APG]

Originally Posted by Upward ref

I think I'll use red and yellow cards this year. Last year I had a coach come stomping out on the court yelling at me to not correct "his kids", if i have a problem talk to him . problem is ,we cant give any t's in the church league ! red card would be almost as good of a message to coaches . lol

How do you take care of unsportsmanlike conduct? Sounds like your league is giving coaches carte blanche to question officials left and right.

[Adam]

ain't no message like losing the coaching box, two free throws for the other team, and finding oneself halfway towards being ejected.