OT--I didn't like this

[bas2456]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

But it's OK for a player to show up one of the officials? Remember, in baseball, officials don't have the same ability to penalize teams for unsportsmanlike behavior in a manner that can affect the score like in other sports . I don't think this was out of line considering it was a "fun" league. It sounds like he was just having fun.

[COLOR="rgb(0, 100, 0)"]True. But he could eject the player he felt crossed a line, which was one of our better players.[/COLOR]

Let me rephrase. While it's not the most competitive league, it's still taken seriously. Like I said in the OP, there's other ways to go about doing what he did. I felt it was unnecessary to let the entire park know he was calling us out.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bas2456

Let me rephrase. While it's not the most competitive league, it's still taken seriously. Like I said in the OP, there's other ways to go about doing what he did. I felt it was unnecessary to let the entire park know he was calling us out.

Well, if the whole park could hear the bench calling out the umpire, I don't see much of a problem. Would I do it? Doubtful, but I haven't spent an entire evening listening to a bunch of Jason Giambi never-weres crying about close calls, either.

[bas2456]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Well, if the whole park could hear the bench calling out the umpire, I don't see much of a problem. Would I do it? Doubtful, but I haven't spent an entire evening listening to a bunch of Jason Giambi never-weres crying about close calls, either.

But I'll bet you have spent entire evenings listening to a bunch of LeBron/Phil Jackson wanna-bes cry about foul calls or non-calls.

The situation is the same. No matter the sport or level, what he did was unprofessional, IMO.

[referee99]

... is the proffering of suggested smart-*** comments we so dearly wish we could utter that would just be hi-larious! But alas, they simply remain only in the cranium or uttered under the breath.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bas2456

But I'll bet you have spent entire evenings listening to a bunch of LeBron/Phil Jackson wanna-bes cry about foul calls or non-calls.

No, I haven't spent entire evenings listening to cry babies. I put a stop to it quickly. The T works wonders.

Originally Posted by bas2456

The situation is the same. No matter the sport or level, what he did was unprofessional, IMO.

You may be right, but it's also unprofessional for an official to play on a team and spend the evening complaining to the officials. I'm sorry, but while I would probably never use that particular tool, the bottom line for me is it worked. He was able to do it without tossing your teammate, too.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I'm sorry, but while I would probably never use that particular tool, the bottom line for me is it worked.

Ok, first let me say that I know this is not the message you intended, but it is present in your post...this is a very dangerous statement - at least in my mind. And it's why we have so many officials who simply make up their own ways of dealing with situations rather than following the proscribed rules and mechanics.

The fact that it "worked" does NOT justify unprofessional conduct from an official. The ends do not justify the means. Like it or not, we are held to a higher standard. To do things like this umpire did - or make the comments that Mr. Padgett likes to make - is contrary to the officials code of ethics that we all agree to abide by when we put on the uniform. and believe me, I have learned the hard way that - in the long run - these types of antics don't work. They will always come back to haunt you at some future time.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

The fact that it "worked" does NOT justify unprofessional conduct from an official. The ends do not justify the means. Like it or not, we are held to a higher standard. To do things like this umpire did - or make the comments that Mr. Padgett likes to make - is contrary to the officials code of ethics that we all agree to abide by when we put on the uniform. and believe me, I have learned the hard way that - in the long run - these types of antics don't work. They will always come back to haunt you at some future time.

Amen! Wise words.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Ok, first let me say that I know this is not the message you intended, but it is present in your post...this is a very dangerous statement - at least in my mind. And it's why we have so many officials who simply make up their own ways of dealing with situations rather than following the proscribed rules and mechanics.

The fact that it "worked" does NOT justify unprofessional conduct from an official. The ends do not justify the means. Like it or not, we are held to a higher standard. To do things like this umpire did - or make the comments that Mr. Padgett likes to make - is contrary to the officials code of ethics that we all agree to abide by when we put on the uniform. and believe me, I have learned the hard way that - in the long run - these types of antics don't work. They will always come back to haunt you at some future time.

You're correct, rocky.
1. It's not what i meant to say.
2. It's what i actually did say.
3. It's unprofessional, even if I can understand the impulse.

I still stand by the fact that it's more unprofessional for an official to participate in such a contest and publicly critique the umpire. The OP didn't actually admit to such, but I'm inferring it from his post. If he did not, and only allowed his teammates to engage in such behavior, then it's slightly less unprofessional so I will slighly apologize.

[bas2456]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I still stand by the fact that it's more unprofessional for an official to participate in such a contest and publicly critique the umpire. The OP didn't actually admit to such, but I'm inferring it from his post. If he did not, and only allowed his teammates to engage in such behavior, then it's slightly less unprofessional so I will slighly apologize.

The play in question was a bang-bang play at first. I was coaching 3rd base at the time and didn't have a great look either way. Couldn't tell you if our runner was safe or out.

I slightly accept your slight apology

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by bas2456

But I'll bet you have spent entire evenings listening to a bunch of LeBron/Phil Jackson wanna-bes cry about foul calls or non-calls.

The situation is the same. No matter the sport or level, what he did was unprofessional, IMO.

Prolly so. The ump seems to have lowered himself to your level. But you seem intent on ignoring the behavior of your teammates. I wonder why that is.

[bas2456]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Prolly so. The ump seems to have lowered himself to your level. But you seem intent on ignoring the behavior of your teammates. I wonder why that is.

Hey, I can only control what I do on the field. We're all adults. We can make decisions for ourselves. If they choose to complain about a call, that's their perogative (sp?). They've never officiated anything, so we can't hold them to a higher standard.