Injured player w/ possession of the ball

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by rockchalk jhawk

What does everybody here think? Is there an option 3 I haven't mentioned?

Getting poked in the eye, if A1 was basically standing upright, usually involves the defenders hands being somewhere that is not protected (not in their vertical plane). You said the arms were flailing. I've got illegal us of hands.

[rockchalk jhawk]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Getting poked in the eye, if A1 was basically standing upright, usually involved the defenders hands being somewhere that is not protected (not in their vertical plane). You said the arms were flailing. I've got illegal us of hands.

Let's assume that somehow A1 in her flailing inserted herself into B1's vertical plain and impaled herself on B1's finger, thereby initiating the injury. Just for the sake of the scenario, even though I agree that what you mentioned was a very real possibility. Or let's even pretend that you didn't see how A1 got injured, but she obviously is.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by rockchalk jhawk

Let's assume that somehow A1 in her flailing inserted herself into B1's vertical plain and impaled herself on B1's finger, thereby initiating the injury. Just for the sake of the scenario, even though I agree that what you mentioned was a very real possibility. Or let's even pretend that you didn't see how A1 got injured, but she obviously is.

I say we go with the NFHS rule for this situation. Unfortunately I don't have a rule book handy.

[Pantherdreams]

Blow the whistle replace the injured playered.
-You've got an injured player
- her team has the ball
- you are not disadvantaging the team in possession.
-The injured player is in the middle of the play risking furhter injury to herself and others.


The only way I'm letting the play continue is if the ball comes loose, play is moving away from the injured player and the team on defense is now coming up with the ball to transition immediately.

[Back In The Saddle]

"When a player is injured as in Art. 2(a), the official may suspend play after the ball is dead or is in control of the injured player’s team or when the opponents complete a play. A play is completed when a team loses control (including throwing for goal) or withholds the ball from play by ceasing to attempt to score or advance the ball to a scoring position. When necessary to protect an injured player, the official may immediately suspend play."

The injured player's team is in control of the ball, and if A1 is doubled over in pain holding her injured eye she has certainly "ceas[ed] to attempt to score of advance the ball to a scoring position". The criteria has clearly been met, I'm stopping play.

Though we have rules that tell us how to handle an injury situation, an injury is not a legitimate part of the game. So to suggest that the official withhold the whistle and wait for the injured player to commit a violation...that does not sit well with me, it's adding insult to injury. If there was a foul by the offensive player or one of the defenders, call it. Otherwise just stop play.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

"When a player is injured as in Art. 2(a), the official may suspend play after the ball is dead or is in control of the injured player’s team or when the opponents complete a play. A play is completed when a team loses control (including throwing for goal) or withholds the ball from play by ceasing to attempt to score or advance the ball to a scoring position. When necessary to protect an injured player, the official may immediately suspend play."
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Thanks BITS. That's what I was trying to get at.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

"When a player is injured as in Art. 2(a), the official may suspend play after the ball is dead or is in control of the injured player’s team or when the opponents complete a play. A play is completed when a team loses control (including throwing for goal) or withholds the ball from play by ceasing to attempt to score or advance the ball to a scoring position. When necessary to protect an injured player, the official may immediately suspend play."

The injured player's team is in control of the ball, and if A1 is doubled over in pain holding her injured eye she has certainly "ceas[ed] to attempt to score of advance the ball to a scoring position". The criteria has clearly been met, I'm stopping play.

Though we have rules that tell us how to handle an injury situation, an injury is not a legitimate part of the game. So to suggest that the official withhold the whistle and wait for the injured player to commit a violation...that does not sit well with me, it's adding insult to injury. If there was a foul by the offensive player or one of the defenders, call it. Otherwise just stop play.

+1

If the defending coach doesn't like it, inquire if he would rather that you charge his player with a foul. He'll become quiet.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by rockchalk jhawk

Let's assume that somehow A1 in her flailing inserted herself into B1's vertical plain and impaled herself on B1's finger, thereby initiating the injury. Just for the sake of the scenario, even though I agree that what you mentioned was a very real possibility. Or let's even pretend that you didn't see how A1 got injured, but she obviously is.

In that case, I'd go mostly with what Panter suggested. You have an injured player that has not yet violated any rule. Had they not been poked in the eye, they may have been able to vacate the lane to avoid the violation.

The only place I differ from Panther on is the threshold for blowing it dead when the ball is lose and/or being grabbed by the other team. At 80-90' from the opposite teams basket, I'm probably blowing it dead immediately when the other team recovers the ball. They are most likely NOT in transistion or in an attack yet.

[rockchalk jhawk]

I agree with all of you guys who say to kill it immediately. I just thought it interesting that I found a couple of guys who were more in favor of option 2 and wanted to see if anybody else agreed with them.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by rockchalk jhawk

I agree with all of you guys who say to kill it immediately. I just thought it interesting that I found a couple of guys who were more in favor of option 2 and wanted to see if anybody else agreed with them.

You'll always find a couple of people who get it wrong.

[rockchalk jhawk]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

You'll always find a couple of people who get it wrong.

Agreed. I think the part that made me think twice about it was that the guys that I disagreed with were veterans that I respected and generally agreed with. But, as you pointed out, you'll always find people who will disagree with you, be it rookie or veterans. Discussing, disagreeing, and looking up the right way to handle something is how we learn from things like this, so it's all good.

[JugglingReferee]

B foul or A injury.

K.I.S.S.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by rockchalk jhawk

Or let's even pretend that you didn't see how A1 got injured, but she obviously is.

No need to pretend most of the time. Often when a player is poked in the eye, all you see is the flinch.

[BillyMac]

If you didn't stop the game for the eye poke, then this would happen next. I've seen it happen a million times.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by rockchalk jhawk

Let's assume that somehow A1 in her flailing inserted herself into B1's vertical plain and impaled herself on B1's finger, thereby initiating the injury.

Sounds like a foul on A1. There's your dead ball.