Technical Foul

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Keep in mind that once the coach is informed that A1 has fouled out, A1 now becomes bench personnel, and any technical fouls on A1 would also be charged indirectly to the head coach.

So just to clarify, if the sixth foul is called before the coach is notified, it's just a sixth foul, with no consequences to anyone else (except the team foul count). If it occurs after notification, it's a bench technical. Correct?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by bainsey

So just to clarify, if the sixth foul is called before the coach is notified, it's just a sixth foul, with no consequences to anyone else (except the team foul count). If it occurs after notification, it's a bench technical. Correct?

Not just a "bench" technical, but an indirect on the current/acting head coach specifically.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Not just a "bench" technical, but an indirect on the current/acting head coach specifically.

Understood. Doesn't a bench technical always result in an indirect to the head coach?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by bainsey

Understood. Doesn't a bench technical always result in an indirect to the head coach?

I guess you could say that but, technically, there is no such thing as a "bench" technical.

Also, it should not be confused with administrative technicals that are charged to the team but NOT against a player or coach (direct or indirect). Being an undefined term, "bench" technicals might associated with these by some people.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I guess you could say that but, technically, there is no such thing as a "bench" technical.

You might want to let the NFHS know that bit of information.

From page 60 of the NFHS Rules Book:
Rule 10, Section 4 BENCH TECHNICAL

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Administrative technicals.

But I know one when I see one. (Apologies to Justice Potter Stewart)

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

You might want to let the NFHS know that bit of information. From page 60 of the NFHS Rules Book:
Rule 10, Section 4 BENCH TECHNICAL

That's only for a technical called on this guy.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by mbyron

That player should be not only disqualified but ejected, with any attendant state penalties for having been ejected (suspension and so on).

Please keep in mind that the NFHS does not want players to be ejected from the playing area, except in situations where their behavior on the bench continues to be a problem after disqualification or in some other extreme or unusual situation. And even then, when the ejected player leaves the gym, he/she is to be accompanied by an adult associated with the team .

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by scrapper1

please keep in mind that the nfhs does not want players to be ejected from the playing area, except in situations where their behavior on the bench continues to be a problem after disqualification or in some other extreme or unusual situation. And even then, when the ejected player leaves the gym, he/she is to be accompanied by an adult associated with the team .

ok.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

You might want to let the NFHS know that bit of information.

From page 60 of the NFHS Rules Book:
Rule 10, Section 4 BENCH TECHNICAL

I stand corrected. I guess I just think of them as directs on the player/coaches involved and/or indirects on the HC. The effect is the same in any case. And, you don't really call a "bench technical". You just call a T (normal, intentional, or flagrant) and charge it to someone (along with the coach).

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I stand corrected. I guess I just think of them as directs on the player/coaches involved and/or indirects on the HC. The effect is the same in any case. And, you don't really call a "bench technical". You just call a T (normal, intentional, or flagrant) and charge it to someone (along with the coach).

FWIW I agree with your thinking.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

Please keep in mind that the NFHS does not want players to be ejected from the playing area, except in situations where their behavior on the bench continues to be a problem after disqualification or in some other extreme or unusual situation. And even then, when the ejected player leaves the gym, he/she is to be accompanied by an adult associated with the team .

In our local kids rec league, when a player is ejected (extremely rare, BTW) he or she just goes and sits in the stands. We're not sending a little kid outside and hope he or she is with their mommy or daddy.

However, if we eject a coach (not so rare in my case), that dude or dudette not only has to leave the building, but they are banished to another state. OK - that's not the case but I might suggest a rule change so that it is.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

In our local kids rec league, when a player is ejected (extremely rare, BTW) he or she just goes and sits in the stands.

Mark, I'm curious about your thought process on this. Why not just leave them on the bench like normal (NFHS) rules?

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Mark, I'm curious about your thought process on this. Why not just leave them on the bench like normal (NFHS) rules?

Like I said, this is extremely rare. We remove them from the bench so that the impact of being ejected for extremely bad behavior is magnified. They go up and sit with their parents and they usually get an earful from them. Since this league stresses sportsmanship above all else (except for player safety, of course), this seems to fit in with that philosophy. This was the rule from the start of this organization over 30 years ago and no one has had a compelling reason to change it. In fact, no one has ever even questioned it to my knowledge, and I've going into my 18th year on the Board.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I guess I just think of them as directs on the player/coaches involved and/or indirects on the HC. The effect is the same in any case. And, you don't really call a "bench technical". You just call a T (normal, intentional, or flagrant) and charge it to someone (along with the coach).

Sounds like two roads to the same destination.

I find it important to distinguish the bench technicals from the team technicals. (Player, sub, and head coach Ts are more obvious.) A few years ago, someone on our board took away the coaching box for a second d.o.g. warning (the second being water on the court after a time out). Of course, we know that to be incorrect, as multiple d.o.g. infractions are always team technicals.

While we don't have to verbalize "bench" or "team," I think a little preventive medicine could help in these matters.