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[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

Again, I'm an official in other sports, but not basketball. I have to ask, though, how this is possible (assuming we're not in a running clock game).

Either the foul happened before the buzzer, thus leaving SOME time on the clock... or it didn't, thus there was no foul.

In basketball, you're only allowed to put time back on the clock with definite knowledge. That includes either an official looking at the clock and seeing a specific time, or using an offiicial's count. We are not allowed to say, "Well, I know the whistle came before the horn, so let's put back up, say, .3 seconds." We have to see the .3 on the clock.

Another example would be ball is inbounded in the backcourt, A1 dribbles the ball towards the midcourt line, an official is visibly counting the 10 seconds, is up to 6, and notices the clock hasn't started. The official is allowed to blow the whistle, take 6 seconds off the clock, and put the ball back in play.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

Again, I'm an official in other sports, but not basketball. I have to ask, though, how this is possible (assuming we're not in a running clock game).

Either the foul happened before the buzzer, thus leaving SOME time on the clock... or it didn't, thus there was no foul.

1) The ball can be live even after time has expired.

2) The timer's reaction to the whistle will be after the foul, so time can expire. If there's replay, then you can put the time back (NCAA). Without it, you can't.

[Tio]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Just curious, so a few questions:

Would you hold up the administration of a normal FT if a player were standing outside of the 3pt line, but well below the FT line extended?

Would you ask this player to go where he belongs?

What penalty would you assess if he doesn't move?

According to NCAA rules there are 2 specific free throw administration sequences:

1. When ball is live on an unsuccessful final attempt. (typical result)

2. When the ball is to become dead after the final attempt regardless of a make/miss. (Technical, intentional fouls and when complicated by the expiration of time)

For scenario 1, we have the resumption of play procedure if the players will not line up properly. So for your scenario where a player is below 3 pt line extended, we can go ahead and call a violation. I would ask the player to move first.

For scenario 2, all the rules say is that players shall not line up along the marked lane spaces. If a player lines up and doesn't move I would cite:

Rule 10.2.5

Art. 5. A team shall not delay the game, when the game clock is not running,
by:

b. After a team warning has been issued, repeatedly delaying the game
by preventing the ball from being promptly put in play, such as
delaying the administration of a throw-in or free throw by engaging
in a team huddle anyplace on the playing court

My 2 cents.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

Another example would be ball is inbounded in the backcourt, A1 dribbles the ball towards the midcourt line, an official is visibly counting the 10 seconds, is up to 6, and notices the clock hasn't started. The official is allowed to blow the whistle, take 6 seconds off the clock, and put the ball back in play.

And the team gets a new "whole" ten seconds.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

A1 dribbles the ball towards the midcourt line.

Please call it the division line. The word midcourt line brings back memories of different, now extinct, rules to those of us who have been around the block a few times.

[MD Longhorn]

Thanks all ... got it now!