Summer Ball

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by grunewar

I know we have talked about this before.......

Sometimes I get critiqued for stopping the game when I shouldn't - a quick whistle if you will or a game interrupter as told to me (maybe better game management, patient whistle, discretion, or experience are better terms).

An example of one I have done several times and need to be better at (as told to me by my evaluators). A1 has the ball in his backcourt and is defended by B1. A1 does a crossover dribble and goes by B1. B1 fouls A1 by bumping him off his mark on the way by changing A1's speed, rhtyhm, and direction. But, after a second or so, A1 has "played through" the contact and is going down court. Me - TWEEET!

As asked to me - "why?" I have "interrupted the game" or penalized A's ability to play through the contact (even though at the time B's contact caused B an advantage) and now I have brought the ball back to the spot to inbound, therefore taking away A's advantage.

I've gotta be more patient!

Sooooo....a "game interrrupter" is really calling illegal contact for something that was incidental contact? Seeing that incidental contact versus a foul for illegal contact is always a judgment call, what are they really teaching you here?

Why not just say "Hey you, read the rule book and follow NFHS rule 4-27". For instance re: for the red-highlighted part above, replace that with R4-27-3--"Similarly, contact which does not hinder the opponent from participating in normal defensive or offensive movements should be considered incidental." That concept would seem to be a helluva lot easier to teach someone imo.

You're right that the key is being more patient. But all your evaluators are really telling you is to just take a second longer to decide whether the contact was incidental or illegal. Why not just say that to the person being evaluated? Iow, KIFSS!

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

You're right that the key is being more patient. But all your evaluators are really telling you is to just take a second longer to decide whether the contact was incidental or illegal. Why not just say that to the person being evaluated? Iow, KIFSS!

Hence, something I need to work on - and I know it. Which is important to me.

Of course you say it so much more eloquently than my evaluators.....

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by grunewar

Hence, something I need to work on - and I know it. Which is important to me.

Of course you say it so much more eloquently than my evaluators.....

Naw, not more eloquently. Just simpler imo. I wasn't trying to be a wise-azz but that term "game interrupter" causes more confusion than anything else being taught in my experience. They tried to teach me the concept of having a patient whistle many moons ago. The concept hasn't changed but they keep coming up with new ways to explain it.

In my experience, most of the time that an evaluator tells someone they called a "game interrupter", all that they're really saying is that you made a wrong call. They should explain to you at the same time exactly why they thought that you made a wrong call. And in the case that you stated, it was because you didn't wait that extra half-second to see whether anyone was really getting an advantage through that contact. That's teaching...and learning.

Again, jmo.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by grunewar

Of course you say it so much more eloquently than my evaluators.....

If the evaluators can make it sound more complicated, then you're more likely to think that you need them.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by mbyron

If the evaluators can make it sound more complicated, then you're more likely to think that you need them.

Or pay that hefty camp fee.

[constable]

Summer ball is in full swing here. It is great for me to get some decent cardio in in some gyms that don't have air conditioning. I am working on judgment and having a patient whistle. I was at a camp a few weeks ago and a number of campers were lambasted for calling too many "And 1's". The evaluators point was " If the contact was THAT significant then they wouldn't have made the bucket". Obviously this isn't always true but I played it through in my head and I know I could have swallowed my whistle on a number of plays over the years. Getting a chance to officiate some university kids playing summer ball to keep in shape using a 2 man crew is interesting though.

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by constable

Summer ball is in full swing here. It is great for me to get some decent cardio in in some gyms that don't have air conditioning.

And I did two B15U games last night by myself......

Now, to go back to writing my assignor a note.......

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by grunewar

And I did two B15U games last night by myself......

Now, to go back to writing my assignor a note.......

Where was justacoach when you needed him?

[DLH17]

Originally Posted by grunewar

And I did two B15U games last night by myself......

Now, to go back to writing my assignor a note.......

Quit whining. JRut could do 10 one man games consecutively w/o breaking a sweat. Of course, he'd just stand at half court.

[GoodwillRef]

Originally Posted by constable

Summer ball is in full swing here. It is great for me to get some decent cardio in in some gyms that don't have air conditioning. I am working on judgment and having a patient whistle. I was at a camp a few weeks ago and a number of campers were lambasted for calling too many "And 1's". The evaluators point was " If the contact was THAT significant then they wouldn't have made the bucket". Obviously this isn't always true but I played it through in my head and I know I could have swallowed my whistle on a number of plays over the years. Getting a chance to officiate some university kids playing summer ball to keep in shape using a 2 man crew is interesting though.

The one huge drawback for most summer leagues is working 2 person. We try to work 3 person as much as possible.