5 second call in the backcourt

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by Hornets222003

When he called it, he didn't seem 100% sure about it, so I just assumed that he had a moment. I probably should have though.

These things may appear delicate, but they can be handled.

If you call over your partner, and have a brief, quiet discussion away from the players, you can let him know that the rule in question isn't applicable at that time. (Don't do this on judgment calls, only when a rule is kicked.) Communicate the correct rule to him, and leave it up to him to change it to an inadvertant whistle, if he chooses.

In my sophomore year, I had a backcourt violation a few seconds after the tip-off. I may have kicked it, but that's not what sticks in my mind. My veteran partner immediately changed my call, without even speaking to me, and gave it back to the "violating" team for a division-line throw in. I was too stunned to react, and I didn't speak with him about it either, but I lost a ton of respect for the man for handling it that way.

[Hornets222003]

Originally Posted by bainsey

These things may appear delicate, but they can be handled.

If you call over your partner, and have a brief, quiet discussion away from the players, you can let him know that the rule in question isn't applicable at that time. (Don't do this on judgment calls, only when a rule is kicked.) Communicate the correct rule to him, and leave it up to him to change it to an inadvertant whistle, if he chooses.

In my sophomore year, I had a backcourt violation a few seconds after the tip-off. I may have kicked it, but that's not what sticks in my mind. My veteran partner immediately changed my call, without even speaking to me, and gave it back to the "violating" team for a division-line throw in. I was too stunned to react, and I didn't speak with him about it either, but I lost a ton of respect for the man for handling it that way.

Well we didn't start off communicating well. He came over at the beginning of that game and said that due to the fact that we had to do 6 games, we would not do any switching on foul calls. I didn't like the idea because I know that looks bad on a crew and plus, I like to always do this job right, but I gave in because he is 20 years my senior in the officiating profession, and is a regular at this particular venue.

Over the course of the games he constantly reached into my primary to make calls, he showed horrible mechanics, let 6th grade boys consistently beat him down the court as lead, and he just didn't look like he was trying very hard. At the end of the first game, I was just concerned with getting the others over with while keeping my questions to a minimum. He was a nice guy, but not very professional. But then again, he's certified and I'm not, so what do I know. Maybe that's what you get during summer AAU ball.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Hornets222003

Well we didn't start off communicating well. He came over at the beginning of that game and said that due to the fact that we had to do 6 games, we would not do any switching on foul calls. I didn't like the idea because I know that looks bad on a crew and plus, I like to always do this job right, but I gave in because he is 20 years my senior in the officiating profession, and is a regular at this particular venue.

Someone gave you 6 games to do in one setting and you think it makes you look bad to not switch on fouls? Really?

Originally Posted by Hornets222003

Over the course of the games he constantly reached into my primary to make calls, he showed horrible mechanics, let 6th grade boys consistently beat him down the court as lead, and he just didn't look like he was trying very hard. At the end of the first game, I was just concerned with getting the others over with while keeping my questions to a minimum. He was a nice guy, but not very professional. But then again, he's certified and I'm not, so what do I know. Maybe that's what you get during summer AAU ball.

You are working 6 games in a row, yeah!!!! Be glad he even ran.

Peace

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Hornets222003

Well we didn't start off communicating well. He came over at the beginning of that game and said that due to the fact that we had to do 6 games, we would not do any switching on foul calls. I didn't like the idea because I know that looks bad on a crew and plus, I like to always do this job right, but I gave in because he is 20 years my senior in the officiating profession, and is a regular at this particular venue.

You had to do six games and he didn't want to switch? In summer AAU games? And you think that looks bad on a crew?

Lah me!

Just....lah me!

I sureashell don't want to resurrect that long thread that just ended a while ago on the same subject.....the topic was beaten to death....but if your partner has some shortcomings as an official, not switching while doing 6 AAU games in 1 day sureashell ain't one of them imo.

Ask an assignor sometimes what he thinks of this. He'll probably tell you that if he insisted that his officials follow correct mechanics for 6 rec games in a day, he wouldn't find enough people to staff a pick-up game on an outside MS court.

[Kelvin green]

So in your AAU is clock running or not?

In our AAU,we use a running clock (stops on freethrows and last two minutes of half)...

So we always switch, and take our time doing it...

[Hornets222003]

Originally Posted by Kelvin green

So in your AAU is clock running or not?

In our AAU,we use a running clock (stops on freethrows and last two minutes of half)...

So we always switch, and take our time doing it...

Yes, it's a running clock that stops during the last two minutes of the half. And yes, you could take your time during the switch.

[Hornets222003]

Like I said, I'm new to how things are done outside the strict rigors of our intramural program, so maybe I'm just too young to know any better. I just know I would have been ripped by my former boss for not putting in the effort. And in those games we worked 3 game shifts for much higher levels of play. Maybe I try too hard. Who knows. To me, switching does not require a lot of effort. I wasn't expecting a switch on every single call, but a moderate number would have been sufficient. I understand that all of that takes a toll on the body. Also, running at the pace of 6th graders doesn't require you to be ready for the olympics. A light jog will put you in a great position. Those And usually the switch is anywhere from a walk to a light jog, so I don't see what the big deal is about doing it. And I've done 7 and 8 games in a day. I was a bit sore when done, but otherwise ok.

If you're lead, and you are at the free throw line extended when the action has settled in the front court, yes, I have a problem with that. Those people pay to play, so I think they deserve officials matching their effort. Maybe that's just me. I'm fine with being in the minority on that. We all volunteer the shifts that we are assigned. I think it would be pretty easy to say to the assignor, "No, I can't run for 6 game. Please only give me 3."

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Hornets222003

Like I said, I'm new to how things are done outside the strict rigors of our intramural program, so maybe I'm just too young to know any better. I just know I would have been ripped by my former boss for not putting in the effort. And in those games we worked 3 game shifts for much higher levels of play. Maybe I try too hard. Who knows. To me, switching does not require a lot of effort. I wasn't expecting a switch on every single call, but a moderate number would have been sufficient. I understand that all of that takes a toll on the body. Also, running at the pace of 6th graders doesn't require you to be ready for the olympics. A light jog will put you in a great position. Those And usually the switch is anywhere from a walk to a light jog, so I don't see what the big deal is about doing it. And I've done 7 and 8 games in a day. I was a bit sore when done, but otherwise ok.

If you're lead, and you are at the free throw line extended when the action has settled in the front court, yes, I have a problem with that. Those people pay to play, so I think they deserve officials matching their effort. Maybe that's just me. I'm fine with being in the minority on that. We all volunteer the shifts that we are assigned. I think it would be pretty easy to say to the assignor, "No, I can't run for 6 game. Please only give me 3."

Yeah you are too young right now to get what others are saying or trying to convey. All I am saying is that if you are working 6 games in a row more, you will realize that you will tire out quickly. Also taking 6 games in a row is not just about the games, it is about getting them scheduled. If the assignor did not get a guy like this and others to cover those games, he/she might not get those games covered at all. And if it was a problem that the mechanics were not perfect, do you really think the assignor would give a person 6 games? Why not give everyone one game at a time? Probably because it is AAU and they know that the quality of the officials are not going to always be there considering that you are likely getting paid less than a 1/3 of what you might make during the regular season. This is summer ball, relax. There is a reason you do not get all the "regulars" working these games. And it is 6th grade kids, not much of a draw for many officials unless they want to make it worth their while and work multiple games in a row.

Peace

[Hornets222003]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

This is summer ball, relax.

Peace

I didn't really mean to get all up about the switching thing. It wasn't really that big of a problem to me. It was just that he didn't bother to discuss the not switching thing with me. He just said. We're not switching. No discussion. Just a mandate. That part I can't appreciate.

Also, not all the games are 6th grade. I've done everything from 6th grade to 17 y/o there. It's just the luck of the draw depending on what they have coming in for the week.

I by no means am trying to demean a fellow official. I'm just saying that when I processed all of the rest of the information from how he officiated the rest of the games and how he communicated (or lack there of) with me, I had no real motive to question his 5 seconds in the backcourt call. I just charged it to him making a mistake. I don't know whether it was a conscious or unconscious mistake. Only he knows.

And Mr. Rutledge. When do I become old enough to understand? I don't know if I'll look forward to the day when I can no longer run at an officials pace for 6 games. That would mean that I could probably only play 2 or 3. I think that means I'm over the hump!

[Hornets222003]

Also, I understand that all of the A-team officials only lace up their sneakers for the big times, and that I'm on the C team at the moment. I'll get there one day!

[26 Year Gap]

I try to use AAU to work on things like positioning or a particular type of call I have to improve upon. Switching on fouls does NOT always occur unless it is a crew of 3. If the trail calls one in the backcourt, he stays trail. If the trail calls one in the forecourt, he stays trail. If the lead calls one and it is a shooting foul, he usually will come out to be the new trail. If there has not been a switch in awhile, one might occur on a violation or sideline OOB throw-in. If I am doing 2-3 games only, then I am more apt to switch more often. Otherwise, I am trying to save my legs. 6 is the absolute limit for me and if it is younger kids for the last game, I am very thankful.

I have modified my stance on the number of games and absolute mechanics over the years. The important thing is to give your best effort. And you might even pick up a tip or two that you can incorporate into your game.