"I'm 52 years old, and in all my years..."

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by DLH17

JR....relax. This isn't personal. Everything I've said about my experiences in this thread are factual.

I'm ok with the fact you "don't give a damn".

Perhaps move on to another thread you can control or whatever it is you find gratifying.'

edit: and, I never said anything about "needing coach's approval". you assume that to be true. in reality, i have fun what i do. it's a people business.

I will comment on any darn post I damn well want to comment on. You just got caught saying something and you have been called on your BS by a lot of people. And those people are all over the country and in different jurisdictions. And you even have people that do not agree on many things tend to see through your BS. Maybe you are the one that needs to move on to another thread and stop digging yourself such a big hole by saying things that make no sense.

I will say this again. I do not believe for a second that you do all these things so well and you are working multiple games in a row. I will not buy at all regardless of your age. It would take a great deal of focus or extreme shape to accomplish that feat. And as someone that evaluates officials as part of my career and the position I hold, I seriously doubt you are what you say you are.

Peace

[DLH17]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I will comment on any darn post I damn well want to comment on. You just got caught saying something and you have been called on your BS by a lot of people. And those people are all over the country and in different jurisdictions. And you even have people that do not agree on many things tend to see through your BS. Maybe you are the one that needs to move on to another thread and stop digging yourself such a big hole by saying things that make no sense.

You are the mouthpiece for a bunch of people from many different jurisdictions on an anonymous internet forum, huh? Talk about BS. Take the chip off your shoulder.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I will say this again. I do not believe for a second that you do all these things so well and you are working multiple games in a row. I will not buy at all regardless of your age. It would take a great deal of focus or extreme shape to accomplish that feat. And as someone that evaluates officials as part of my career and the position I hold, I seriously doubt you are what you say you are.

Peace

And, I will say again - I don't consider myself to "do all these things so well". But, I do listen, learn and hustle.

Finally, where did I say I officiated "multiple games in a row"?

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by DLH17

You are the mouthpiece for a bunch of people from many different jurisdictions on an anonymous internet forum, huh? Talk about BS. Take the chip off your shoulder.

No... he's just the only one still reading your nonsense and replying to it. Most of the rest of us gave up on you long ago.

Originally Posted by DLH17

Finally, where did I say I officiated "multiple games in a row"?

LOL. Wow. If only the internet kept threads so you could go back and read what you said ... oh... yeah... it does. Idiot.

[DLH17]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

No... he's just the only one still reading your nonsense and replying to it. Most of the rest of us gave up on you long ago.
LOL. Wow. If only the internet kept threads so you could go back and read what you said ... oh... yeah... it does. Idiot.

Show me.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by DLH17

Show me.

Post 21.

Originally Posted by DLH17

I did 8 games Sat and 8 games Sun and never slowed down...and I'm an old fart. I got paid the same game rate as the others. And, I give those players what they paid for.

[DLH17]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

Post 21.

the word(s) "consecutive" and "in a row" are nowhere to be found

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by DLH17

the word(s) "consecutive" and "in a row" are nowhere to be found

Really... after 5 pages of people calling you out, THIS is your defense for the lie? You sound like a buddy of mine who will wordsmith to death just to win an argument for the purposes of winning the argument... instead of actually making a point.

Are you really trying to tell me now, backtracking desperately, that you managed to work 16 games in a weekend without working "consecutive" or "multiple games in a row"? Really?

Come on. Jim Joyce made the biggest blunder in 25 years, and immediately owned his mistake. Stop wordsmithing, and admit that you at the VERY LEAST misled everyone. You asserted that you could work 16 games in 2 days "without slowing down". (You should certainly be able to see why one would assume that at least some of these were either consecutive or multiple games in a row (depending on who you are arguing with). This is why you're getting blasted, and are losing credibility in a fast ugly spiral.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by DLH17

You are the mouthpiece for a bunch of people from many different jurisdictions on an anonymous internet forum, huh? Talk about BS. Take the chip off your shoulder.

Maybe you do not realize this, but many of us know each other by our real names. I know many officials here by their real names. I have also attended camps with many of the participants and in some rare cases we work for the same people in college conferences. As well as some even live in the area that I do and we belong to the same local associations.

And there is a big difference. No one has said I was wrong about this claim. Just about everyone said you were wrong about your claim.

And if anyone has a chip on your shoulder it is you. You are the one defending your crap again and again and again while multiple people seem to find holes in your claims. Stop trying to change the subject, there is no way that you work multiple games in a day and perfectly use every mechanic during live or dead ball periods. As a clinician for my state, I know officials cannot do that in a camp setting. I doubt you are perfect as you say you are. I would just love to watch one of your games and see all the things you claim you do not be there. Heck the college camp I attended this past weekend the clinicians did not expect that.

Originally Posted by DLH17

And, I will say again - I don't consider myself to "do all these things so well". But, I do listen, learn and hustle.

Finally, where did I say I officiated "multiple games in a row"?

Something tells me you do not. As you have constantly tried to defend your position which many have seen many holes in what you have said. Oh well, keep doing what you are doing.

Peace

[DLH17]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Maybe you do not realize this, but many of us know each other by our real names. I know many officials here by their real names. I have also attended camps with many of the participants and in some rare cases we work for the same people in college conferences. As well as some even live in the area that I do and we belong to the same local associations.

I did not know that. That's pretty cool. Officiating can be a bit of a fraternity. Part of the fun.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

...there is no way that you work multiple games in a day and perfectly use every mechanic during live or dead ball periods. I doubt you are perfect as you say you are.

You're making stuff up again. Never said I was doing anything perfectly. In fact, I said I'm always trying to get better, which clearly implies I know I'm not perfect.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I would just love to watch one of your games and see all the things you claim you do not be there. Heck the college camp I attended this past weekend the clinicians did not expect that.

Again, I've never claimed to be perfect...only strive to do the best job I can. Mistakes are inevitable.

And, I'd love to have you evaluate me and give needed criticism. Constructive criticism is always welcome.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by DLH17

You're making stuff up again. Never said I was doing anything perfectly. In fact, I said I'm always trying to get better, which clearly implies I know I'm not perfect.

When your criticism of other officials is that they do not switch during dead balls and do things like bump and run during summer ball that sounds like you are saying are perfect to me. It might be some hyperbole on your part, but you suggested that you hustled and everyone else was not giving their best effort because they were not doing these very specific things you suggested they should. Then you have had people that suggested while working multiple games that was somewhat unrealistic. Then you snapped back at everyone and said you did not slow down a bit. If that is not implying you are perfect I do not know what is. Even during a real game I would expect some lapses in those things you claim you do all the time. For one I know that I might not bump and run because my partners and I make a mistake as to where we are to go. It is not always an issue of hustle.

Originally Posted by DLH17

Again, I've never claimed to be perfect...only strive to do the best job I can. Mistakes are inevitable.

And, I'd love to have you evaluate me and give needed criticism. Constructive criticism is always welcome.

In my circles you would be the "yeah but" guy. The guy that we would tell you something and you would insist there was a reason for your mistake.

Peace

[DLH17]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

When your criticism of other officials is that they do not switch during dead balls and do things like bump and run during summer ball that sounds like you are saying are perfect to me. It might be some hyperbole on your part, but you suggested that you hustled and everyone else was not giving their best effort because they were not doing these very specific things you suggested they should. Then you have had people that suggested while working multiple games that was somewhat unrealistic. Then you snapped back at everyone and said you did not slow down a bit. If that is not implying you are perfect I do not know what is. Even during a real game I would expect some lapses in those things you claim you do all the time. For one I know that I might not bump and run because my partners and I make a mistake as to where we are to go. It is not always an issue of hustle.

All I can say is, you inferred incorrectly. I'm far from perfect. But def want to get better instead of becoming stagnant or indifferent.

I'm the guy who, when more experienced officials come to me for discussion or feedback in summer camps (or any other occassion), listens closely and works on things discussed. More often than not, their is a look of surprise on their faces because, apparently, it's rare for officials to accept feedback about their own performances from peers w/o getting brushed off or some air of attitude. I can't afford to give attitude even if one evaluator tells me to do one thing this way and another evaluator the next days says to do the same thing a different way. Listen, nod, ask good questions so they know you were listening and go do it.

Maybe "in my circles" you would be the evaluator that is a windbag that loves to hear the sound of his own voice. Is that fair? Probably not. Neither was your "yeah but" guy quip.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by DLH17

I can't afford to give attitude even if one evaluator tells me to do one thing this way and another evaluator the next days says to do the same thing a different way. Listen, nod, ask good questions so they know you were listening and go do it.

OK ... we all know that most of us probably behave differently here than in the "real world". And while I admit that the two of us probably got under our skin and both said things a bit more strongly and with less tact than we might have in real life...
and for my part I apologize for reacting that way...

I have to wonder, given your adverse/argumentative reaction to people ALL OVER the country telling you that your expectations of 100% hustle, 100% of the time, for 2 days straight over 8/11 games was unrealistic, I'm surprised you say you behave this way with evaluators you come face-to-face with. Why would you have not given THIS crowd (A crowd made up of 90% officials that care enough that they go onto a board like this in the first place, 9% coach/rats/parents wanting to stir trouble, and 1% 1-time parents/coaches with legit questions) the same courtesy. You immediately became argumentative when questioned at all.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by DLH17

All I can say is, you inferred incorrectly. I'm far from perfect. But def want to get better instead of becoming stagnant or indifferent.

I am only responding to what you have said to me and many others.

Originally Posted by DLH17

I'm the guy who, when more experienced officials come to me for discussion or feedback in summer camps (or any other occassion), listens closely and works on things discussed. More often than not, their is a look of surprise on their faces because, apparently, it's rare for officials to accept feedback about their own performances from peers w/o getting brushed off or some air of attitude. I can't afford to give attitude even if one evaluator tells me to do one thing this way and another evaluator the next days says to do the same thing a different way. Listen, nod, ask good questions so they know you were listening and go do it.

Maybe "in my circles" you would be the evaluator that is a windbag that loves to hear the sound of his own voice. Is that fair? Probably not. Neither was your "yeah but" guy quip.

This shows you have never been a person in my position. Because most guys deals with the "Yeah but" guys, just move on and do not talk to guys that know everything. I would rather give my time to the people that paid their money and want to learn, then the guy that paid their money and knows what they are doing. I will move on. What you need to understand is many of the people that you have challenged are very accomplished officials and are not speaking to you from ignorance. But you know.

Peace

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

When your criticism of other officials ........that sounds like you are saying are perfect to me. It might be some hyperbole on your part, but you suggested that you hustled and everyone else was not giving their best effort because they were not doing these very specific things you suggested they should.

All this sounds familiar somehow.

Originally Posted by just another ref

We have a steal near the division line, and two greyhounds took off on a two-on-none break. What we actually had for a few seconds, if you will, was a trail and a trail-er. When partner made the call, he was probably at the halfway point of the lane. I was somewhere approaching the division line. Read all the mechanics manuals you want, it still won't help you keep up with 17 year olds.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

....if you cannot keep up with kids that are 17 year old and you are beat that badly, it is time to find some other level to work. About 2 weeks before the season I had a ruptured hamstring that I rehabbed for two weeks. When I came back for my first basketball, I could keep up adequately with 17 year olds. And I am in great shape and I hustle often...

Originally Posted by just another ref

You are going to have to draw me a picture here. This is a two whistle game.
Ball is knocked into the backcourt and B1 and B2 race each other to pick it up, which B1 did, probably about the top of the key. They proceeded to finish a two on none break, then A1 came in and slapped the board after the fact. So, if we would have had two of you calling this game, spell it out for me where you would have been positioned, before and after the steal.

NO ANSWER

Criticism of another official, his positioning, etc.

Mention of one's own hustle.

Interesting. Sometimes things come full circle.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

NO ANSWER

Criticism of another official, his positioning, etc.

Mention of one's own hustle.

Interesting. Sometimes things come full circle.

Here is the thing. Everything I have done can be verified as an official. And even the situation that I described that you quoted can be verified. And if I recall I actually worked with a person on this board when after my injury. I did not make a claim that I could never back up. Sorry, not the same thing or the same situation.

What you might want to do is let it go. That conversation was long over. But hey, if you were confident in your own abilities you would not be concerned what I said about you in the first place.

Peace