"I'm 52 years old, and in all my years..."

[JRutledge]

DLH17,

This is what you said way back in this thread.

Originally Posted by DLH17

And, to be honest, I'm appalled by the lack of hustle and interest on the part of the officials working some of her games. Little to no switching, reporting from the baseline by the lead official, no bump and run.

Anyone that watched me work this weekend (w/ the exception of 52 yr old granny super fan) saw an official that was working his butt off. I despise laziness.

No comments about positioning during live ball or even comments about where at all were made in your original comment. You specifically referenced several dead ball actions which the things highlighted and underlined says. Now when that did not go over well, you now give examples of plays during live ball.

And yes we can control our hustle, but many also realize what these games are. Money grabs and nothing more. I cannot recall that I have ever got a big assignment from a summer AAU ball (or even high school during the summer) game where there was no camp element to them. And because most officials know this, you get what you pay for.

Originally Posted by DLH17

realistically, there all types of officials...some are not the strongest on the rules...some aren't the strongest game managers....some aren't the best communicators.....some are having bad days.....etc etc. one thing that most officials have control over is their own effort. if effort and hustle are present, i think an official can be much more effective and respected.

And I couldn't not really give a damn what coaches think of me during the summer. Be happy I am even out there. I can do other things during that period of time.

Peace

[Adam]

And tonight I watched two partners overhustle as they chased loose balls out of bounds.

[DLH17]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

And tonight I watched two partners overhustle as they chased loose balls out of bounds.

That's where I draw the line! Officials in the leagues/tournaments I work expect the players to chase loose balls. I'll fetch the dribblers trying to sneak off, but the players chase the ones under the bleachers or going out the exit.

[Judtech]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

And tonight I watched two partners overhustle as they chased loose balls out of bounds.

Pet peeve. Every once in awhile I will have a player look at me and ask "Aren't you going to get the ball?" I always respond, "I don't need a ball to do my job but you might need one to do yours"!!
As for an earlier comment, about the disrespect of some for officials who try to cater to coaches, I must make a confession. I fully admit to doing my best to cater and win favor with one particular HS coach in the area. She is a very tall, athletic and leggy coach with nice green eyes and light brown hair...............oh yeah she also has the same last name as mine! (no I do NOT live in wv and she is NOT my sister!!)

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Judtech

Pet peeve. Every once in awhile I will have a player look at me and ask "Aren't you going to get the ball?" I always respond, "I don't need a ball to do my job but you might need one to do yours"!!

LOL, I've never had a player ask. I just say, "help with the ball please." If a quick step will recover the ball and I don't have to turn away from the players, I'll do it. Summer ball here is a lot of running clocks, so the players don't want to lose playing time watching the ball bounce in the bleachers.

[Judtech]

It happens occasionally. I chased a ball ONCE my first year at a camp. Let's just say that the evaluator disuaded me from doing that again!!
In games with running clocks and a player just shagged a loose ball, I feel it is IMPERATIVE to make sure that there are 5 players from each team on the floor, there are no subs waiting at the table, my partner/s are ready and have no information to give me, remind the player whether it is a 'spot' throw in or they can run and making sure the defender does not reach over plane before I take one last look around before handing the ball to the player to put in play. I just LOVE running clocks!!

[DLH17]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

DLH17,

This is what you said way back in this thread.



No comments about positioning during live ball or even comments about where at all were made in your original comment. You specifically referenced several dead ball actions which the things highlighted and underlined says. Now when that did not go over well, you now give examples of plays during live ball.

I apologize for not being more specific. Nonetheless, what I listed are things that bothered me during her games. Add them all up and you can see why I feel strongly about it. If you can't put down your hatchet long enough to realize I'm not your internet nemesis, I suggest you consider moving on to other reading/posting that doesn't support high blood pressure.

It's amazing how quickly you get turned sideways when I post.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

...and I couldn't not really give a damn what coaches think of me during the summer. Be happy I am even out there. I can do other things during that period of time.

Peace

I enjoy meeting new people/renewing old acquaintances when officiating. Other officials, players, coaches. I enjoy what I do within reason. Summer is a great time to be a little more relaxed - wear shorts, talk before after games when another game is getting ready to start - yet still work on mechanics, management and people skills. Sounds like you have it all down and don't give a crap about much else. I'm happy for you. I doubt I'll ever lose my pure love of the game and all the stuff that goes with it. You can paint that - and probably will - in some unflattering way towards me, and that's fine. I'll keep having fun and improving and you can keep on "not giving a damn".

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by DLH17

I apologize for not being more specific. Nonetheless, what I listed are things that bothered me during her games. Add them all up and you can see why I feel strongly about it. If you can't put down your hatchet long enough to realize I'm not your internet nemesis, I suggest you consider moving on to other reading/posting that doesn't support high blood pressure.

It's amazing how quickly you get turned sideways when I post.

The funny part about this conversation is the entire time you have tried to make this personal. This is not personal. This is just a conversation based on what you said. And the more you have been called on your BS, the more you try to run from your original comments. I have a lot more going for me than what we are talking about here. If you really think my blood pressure is going up over this conversation, maybe you have more to learn about officiating than I thought. And that is really obvious this week as I have several officiating things going on that I have to participate in.

Originally Posted by DLH17

I enjoy meeting new people/renewing old acquaintances when officiating. Other officials, players, coaches. I enjoy what I do within reason. Summer is a great time to be a little more relaxed - wear shorts, talk before after games when another game is getting ready to start - yet still work on mechanics, management and people skills. Sounds like you have it all down and don't give a crap about much else. I'm happy for you. I doubt I'll ever lose my pure love of the game and all the stuff that goes with it. You can paint that - and probably will - in some unflattering way towards me, and that's fine. I'll keep having fun and improving and you can keep on "not giving a damn".

Here you go again. I did not say anything about meeting people and working or not working on mechanics. Actually for me summer ball is used for one reason and one reason only. See more plays. By this time of the year my schedule for the coming season is pretty much set. I do not need summer ball to establish this outside of camps. And certainly not during AAU games. And coaches have no say in if I get hired or not hired in any high school or college league. So that is why I do not give a damn about what they think or do not think of my game. For the record I have had run-ins with coaches only to see them during the regular season and see them realize that what they think of me obviously does not matter. So I do not need their approval of any kind to work games when it counts. Apparently you do need that approval and that is why you take this all to a personal level that I was only commenting on your words about hustle, not our personal stances in officiating.

Peace

[DLH17]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

The funny part about this conversation is the entire time you have tried to make this personal. This is not personal. This is just a conversation based on what you said. And the more you have been called on your BS, the more you try to run from your original comments. I have a lot more going for me than what we are talking about here. If you really think my blood pressure is going up over this conversation, maybe you have more to learn about officiating than I thought. And that is really obvious this week as I have several officiating things going on that I have to participate in.





Here you go again. I did not say anything about meeting people and working or not working on mechanics. Actually for me summer ball is used for one reason and one reason only. See more plays. By this time of the year my schedule for the coming season is pretty much set. I do not need summer ball to establish this outside of camps. And certainly not during AAU games. And coaches have no say in if I get hired or not hired in any high school or college league. So that is why I do not give a damn about what they think or do not think of my game. For the record I have had run-ins with coaches only to see them during the regular season and see them realize that what they think of me obviously does not matter. So I do not need their approval of any kind to work games when it counts. Apparently you do need that approval and that is why you take this all to a personal level that I was only commenting on your words about hustle, not our personal stances in officiating.

Peace

JR....relax. This isn't personal. Everything I've said about my experiences in this thread are factual.

I'm ok with the fact you "don't give a damn".

Perhaps move on to another thread you can control or whatever it is you find gratifying.'

edit: and, I never said anything about "needing coach's approval". you assume that to be true. in reality, i have fun what i do. it's a people business.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by DLH17

JR....relax. This isn't personal. Everything I've said about my experiences in this thread are factual.

I'm ok with the fact you "don't give a damn".

Perhaps move on to another thread you can control or whatever it is you find gratifying.'

edit: and, I never said anything about "needing coach's approval". you assume that to be true. in reality, i have fun what i do. it's a people business.

I will comment on any darn post I damn well want to comment on. You just got caught saying something and you have been called on your BS by a lot of people. And those people are all over the country and in different jurisdictions. And you even have people that do not agree on many things tend to see through your BS. Maybe you are the one that needs to move on to another thread and stop digging yourself such a big hole by saying things that make no sense.

I will say this again. I do not believe for a second that you do all these things so well and you are working multiple games in a row. I will not buy at all regardless of your age. It would take a great deal of focus or extreme shape to accomplish that feat. And as someone that evaluates officials as part of my career and the position I hold, I seriously doubt you are what you say you are.

Peace

[DLH17]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I will comment on any darn post I damn well want to comment on. You just got caught saying something and you have been called on your BS by a lot of people. And those people are all over the country and in different jurisdictions. And you even have people that do not agree on many things tend to see through your BS. Maybe you are the one that needs to move on to another thread and stop digging yourself such a big hole by saying things that make no sense.

You are the mouthpiece for a bunch of people from many different jurisdictions on an anonymous internet forum, huh? Talk about BS. Take the chip off your shoulder.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I will say this again. I do not believe for a second that you do all these things so well and you are working multiple games in a row. I will not buy at all regardless of your age. It would take a great deal of focus or extreme shape to accomplish that feat. And as someone that evaluates officials as part of my career and the position I hold, I seriously doubt you are what you say you are.

Peace

And, I will say again - I don't consider myself to "do all these things so well". But, I do listen, learn and hustle.

Finally, where did I say I officiated "multiple games in a row"?

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by DLH17

You are the mouthpiece for a bunch of people from many different jurisdictions on an anonymous internet forum, huh? Talk about BS. Take the chip off your shoulder.

No... he's just the only one still reading your nonsense and replying to it. Most of the rest of us gave up on you long ago.

Originally Posted by DLH17

Finally, where did I say I officiated "multiple games in a row"?

LOL. Wow. If only the internet kept threads so you could go back and read what you said ... oh... yeah... it does. Idiot.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by DLH17

You are the mouthpiece for a bunch of people from many different jurisdictions on an anonymous internet forum, huh? Talk about BS. Take the chip off your shoulder.

Maybe you do not realize this, but many of us know each other by our real names. I know many officials here by their real names. I have also attended camps with many of the participants and in some rare cases we work for the same people in college conferences. As well as some even live in the area that I do and we belong to the same local associations.

And there is a big difference. No one has said I was wrong about this claim. Just about everyone said you were wrong about your claim.

And if anyone has a chip on your shoulder it is you. You are the one defending your crap again and again and again while multiple people seem to find holes in your claims. Stop trying to change the subject, there is no way that you work multiple games in a day and perfectly use every mechanic during live or dead ball periods. As a clinician for my state, I know officials cannot do that in a camp setting. I doubt you are perfect as you say you are. I would just love to watch one of your games and see all the things you claim you do not be there. Heck the college camp I attended this past weekend the clinicians did not expect that.

Originally Posted by DLH17

And, I will say again - I don't consider myself to "do all these things so well". But, I do listen, learn and hustle.

Finally, where did I say I officiated "multiple games in a row"?

Something tells me you do not. As you have constantly tried to defend your position which many have seen many holes in what you have said. Oh well, keep doing what you are doing.

Peace