"I'm 52 years old, and in all my years..."

[tref]

Originally Posted by CLH

Those people were absolute nuts and of course everyone of them is a referee themselves in a former life. Thus, they know ALL the rules and you don't know jack.

Had a coach that "reffed too" over the weekend. I call a b/c foul on the defender just above the FT line extended. When I indicate that the throw-in is on the endline, he replies "that's above the FT line, we should get it side out!!"

Yeah ok ref, I'm sorry ummm, COACH

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by tref

Had a coach that "reffed too" over the weekend. I call a b/c foul on the defender just above the FT line extended. When I indicate that the throw-in is on the endline, he replies "that's above the FT line, we should get it side out!!"

Yeah ok ref, I'm sorry ummm, COACH

Where the ball gets inbounded can be very important to a coach - and should be to a ref.

We get harped on this allot in our evaluations. I make sure to point the spot out to my partners and ensure they go there.

[CLH]

Originally Posted by tref

Had a coach that "reffed too" over the weekend. I call a b/c foul on the defender just above the FT line extended. When I indicate that the throw-in is on the endline, he replies "that's above the FT line, we should get it side out!!"

Yeah ok ref, I'm sorry ummm, COACH

Yeah I excused a fan out of a district matchup this season. She somehow convinced the gym administrator that since she's a referee also that she was allowed leeway through the state that allowed her to return. I saw her back in the gym and killed the game and the administrator informed me of this. I politely let her know that there is no such provision that allows this and further she is only taking this lady's word that she was an official in the first place. I didn't want the adminstrator to look dumb by believing some lies and allowing an ejected fan back in the gym so it would be best for all parties if Ms. Thang was politely escorted back outside the gym.

[DLH17]

Originally Posted by grunewar

Where the ball gets inbounded can be very important to a coach - and should be to a ref.

We get harped on this allot in our evaluations. I make sure to point the spot out to my partners and ensure they go there.

BTW....great point (pardon the pun). I'm working on doing this in a consistent manner. Another reason why I love working these tournaments. Lots of games provides lots of opps to strengthen weaknesses (and develop bad habits for some).

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by DLH17

I have to admit that, among many reasons for poor behavior by fans, coaches and players, one of those may well be "lazy officiating". I've given up a large pctg of my games this spring/early summer so I can attend my daughter's 12U games at some of these MAYB tournaments. And, to be honest, I'm appalled by the lack of hustle and interest on the part of the officials working some of her games. Little to no switching, reporting from the baseline by the lead official, no bump and run.

Anyone that watched me work this weekend (w/ the exception of 52 yr old granny super fan) saw an official that was working his butt off. I despise laziness.

You get what you pay for. I expect officials always to hustle and put forth effort. But if someone is working multiple games and getting paid a fraction of what they get during the regular season I'm not expecting them switch on every foul or always come out to the proper reporting position.

[DLH17]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

You get what you pay for. I expect officials always to hustle and put forth effort. But if someone is working multiple games and getting paid a fraction of what they get during the regular season I'm not expecting them switch on every foul or always come out to the proper reporting position.

These guys are getting paid the same game rate as they would for league games. Plus, they are doing a 4 or 5 game set, so it's a $100 day for them. They s/b hustling from the opening tip of game 1 to the final second of game 5.

edit: I did 8 games Sat and 8 games Sun and never slowed down...and I'm an old fart. I got paid the same game rate as the others. And, I give those players what they paid for.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by DLH17

These guys are getting paid the same game rate as they would for league games. Plus, they are doing a 4 or 5 game set, so it's a $100 day for them. They s/b hustling from the opening tip of game 1 to the final second of game 5.

$25/game in what regular season league? Maybe it's a regional thing, but around these parts when you are working for $20-25/game there are no expectations for the officials to be switching on every foul or to run out to the reporting area. And though I'm putting the throw-in at the proper spot sometimes that will entail a long-distance bounce so that my partner and I don't have to rotate.

The players don't care where you are reporting your fouls from.

[DLH17]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

$25/game in what regular season league?

Local competitive leagues - 5/6 grade and 7/8 grade.

Regardless....if an official has agreed to and is getting paid to officiate 4 or 14 games, the effort should be there unless something unforseen has occurred that would prevent max effort.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by tref

Had a coach that "reffed too" over the weekend. I call a b/c foul on the defender just above the FT line extended. When I indicate that the throw-in is on the endline, he replies "that's above the FT line, we should get it side out!!"

Yeah ok ref, I'm sorry ummm, COACH

Okay, I have to ask, because the way you worded this leads me to believe the ball should have been taken out on the sideline. Unless it's in the FT circle, anything above the FT line would be taken out on the sideline. What am I missing?

[JRutledge]

I do not know if you can expect the best of the best officiating when you have guys working multiple games in a row and you have running clocks all day. It also does not help when everything about the games are modified to keep games within an hour. And most of the time you do not get the best officials working these tournaments at all. In many cases tournaments and leagues like this get whomever (or whoever ) they can get. Most veterans that have been around are not working these games. I worked a tournament this past weekend where every official was hustling because it was a camp to get hired. And we were working 3 Person the entire time. It was tough to do that as teams were running up and down the court and hardly running offenses. I can only imagine what it would be like to work multiple games in a row and only two person with those athletes. Hard to get officials that can keep up in those cases let alone expect consistent hustle.

Peace

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by DLH17

Local competitive leagues - 5/6 grade and 7/8 grade.

Regardless....if an official has agreed to and is getting paid to officiate 4 or 14 games, the effort should be there unless something unforseen has occurred that would prevent max effort.

Like I said, must be a regional thing. I know one thing, when paying $20-25/game there is going to be some sort of trade-off. A majority (not all) of the officials are going to fall into 2 categories:

A) Newer officials who hustle their a$$es off but will make mistakes during the games due to inexperience.

B) More experienced officials who are there to put some $$$ in their pockets. These experieced officials are not going to run themselves silly during deadballs.

[tref]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Maybe it's a regional thing, but around these parts when you are working for $20-25/game there are no expectations for the officials to be switching on every foul or to run out to the reporting area. And though I'm put the throw-in at the proper spot sometimes that will entail a long-distance bounce so that my partner and I don't have to rotate.

AMEN!

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Okay, I have to ask, because the way you worded this leads me to believe the ball should have been taken out on the sideline. Unless it's in the FT circle, anything above the FT line would be taken out on the sideline. What am I missing?

My bad, there was a call just above the FT line & well below the FT semi-circle. Mr. "I ref 2" Coach, wanted it side out.

Did you hear we got approved to wear grey next season?

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by DLH17

"You are the most whistle happy official I've ever seen....."

"Yes - I do try to keep my whistle happy. I let it get sad once and it bit me on my tongue. Thanks for the input. Coming from an expert like you it means a lot."

[bainsey]

I worked one years ago with the director of a rec league, who administrates for a living, but doesn't officiate.

Late in a game and during a time out, he comes to me and says, "Okay, number 20 has four fouls. Let's make sure the last one isn't a marginal one." I heartily explain to him that I never, ever want to know how many fouls a player has, because it can indeed compromise one's judgment and integrity.

"Well," he ponders as he looks away, "let's just agree to disagree."

[tref]

Originally Posted by bainsey

I heartily explain to him that I never, ever want to know how many fouls a player has, because it can indeed compromise one's judgment and integrity.

Really?