"I'm 52 years old, and in all my years..."

[DLH17]

I have to admit that, among many reasons for poor behavior by fans, coaches and players, one of those may well be "lazy officiating". I've given up a large pctg of my games this spring/early summer so I can attend my daughter's 12U games at some of these MAYB tournaments. And, to be honest, I'm appalled by the lack of hustle and interest on the part of the officials working some of her games. Little to no switching, reporting from the baseline by the lead official, no bump and run.

Anyone that watched me work this weekend (w/ the exception of 52 yr old granny super fan) saw an official that was working his butt off. I despise laziness.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by DLH17

I have to admit that, among many reasons for poor behavior by fans, coaches and players, one of those may well be "lazy officiating". I've given up a large pctg of my games this spring/early summer so I can attend my daughter's 12U games at some of these MAYB tournaments. And, to be honest, I'm appalled by the lack of hustle and interest on the part of the officials working some of her games. Little to know switching, reporting from the baseline by the lead official, no bump and run.

Anyone that watched me work this weekend (w/ the exception of 52 yr old granny super fan) saw an official that was working his butt off. I despise laziness.

I think sometimes it's lazy, others it's ignorance. Many newer officials working these leagues don't know jack about switching, reporting fouls, or positioning. Hell, half the time you're grateful when they're not both on the same side of the court. They're new, it's where they learn.

[DLH17]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I think sometimes it's lazy, others it's ignorance. Many newer officials working these leagues don't know jack about switching, reporting fouls, or positioning. Hell, half the time you're grateful when they're not both on the same side of the court. They're new, it's where they learn.

I won't disagree, Snaq, because there are a lot of new officials out there. Thing is, in my area, I've been around long enough now to know who the newbies are...and the guys I saw being lazy weren't newbies. They were apathetic midlings. IMO, they are no longer motivated by anything other than getting their games in and leaving with their game check.

No passion, no professional pride, no nuthin.

Sad.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by DLH17

I have to admit that, among many reasons for poor behavior by fans, coaches and players, one of those may well be "lazy officiating". I've given up a large pctg of my games this spring/early summer so I can attend my daughter's 12U games at some of these MAYB tournaments. And, to be honest, I'm appalled by the lack of hustle and interest on the part of the officials working some of her games. Little to no switching, reporting from the baseline by the lead official, no bump and run.

Anyone that watched me work this weekend (w/ the exception of 52 yr old granny super fan) saw an official that was working his butt off. I despise laziness.

You get what you pay for. I expect officials always to hustle and put forth effort. But if someone is working multiple games and getting paid a fraction of what they get during the regular season I'm not expecting them switch on every foul or always come out to the proper reporting position.

[DLH17]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

You get what you pay for. I expect officials always to hustle and put forth effort. But if someone is working multiple games and getting paid a fraction of what they get during the regular season I'm not expecting them switch on every foul or always come out to the proper reporting position.

These guys are getting paid the same game rate as they would for league games. Plus, they are doing a 4 or 5 game set, so it's a $100 day for them. They s/b hustling from the opening tip of game 1 to the final second of game 5.

edit: I did 8 games Sat and 8 games Sun and never slowed down...and I'm an old fart. I got paid the same game rate as the others. And, I give those players what they paid for.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by DLH17

These guys are getting paid the same game rate as they would for league games. Plus, they are doing a 4 or 5 game set, so it's a $100 day for them. They s/b hustling from the opening tip of game 1 to the final second of game 5.

$25/game in what regular season league? Maybe it's a regional thing, but around these parts when you are working for $20-25/game there are no expectations for the officials to be switching on every foul or to run out to the reporting area. And though I'm putting the throw-in at the proper spot sometimes that will entail a long-distance bounce so that my partner and I don't have to rotate.

The players don't care where you are reporting your fouls from.

[DLH17]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

$25/game in what regular season league?

Local competitive leagues - 5/6 grade and 7/8 grade.

Regardless....if an official has agreed to and is getting paid to officiate 4 or 14 games, the effort should be there unless something unforseen has occurred that would prevent max effort.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by DLH17

Local competitive leagues - 5/6 grade and 7/8 grade.

Regardless....if an official has agreed to and is getting paid to officiate 4 or 14 games, the effort should be there unless something unforseen has occurred that would prevent max effort.

Like I said, must be a regional thing. I know one thing, when paying $20-25/game there is going to be some sort of trade-off. A majority (not all) of the officials are going to fall into 2 categories:

A) Newer officials who hustle their a$$es off but will make mistakes during the games due to inexperience.

B) More experienced officials who are there to put some $$$ in their pockets. These experieced officials are not going to run themselves silly during deadballs.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by DLH17

Local competitive leagues - 5/6 grade and 7/8 grade.

Regardless....if an official has agreed to and is getting paid to officiate 4 or 14 games, the effort should be there unless something unforeseen has occurred that would prevent max effort.

You're imposing your own personal standards on others. These are not "regular" games and the rate being paid reflects that. They're rec-league type games that are being paid accordingly and are getting performances commensurate with the pay being offered. I'm talking not about judgment, integrity, live ball hustle, and knowledge and such but the points about not switching on every foul, or reporting from a greater distance.

Of course, at those rates, they're not going to get a lot of the better refs to come out either....it is just not worth it.

Plus, any assignor willing to regularly put someone on more than 2 or 3 games is already indicating that the expectations are different. It is not possible to hustle for 8 games like you should and do for one or two. Even the best athletes really can't keep up that intensity for that long.

[Judtech]

Having re entered the "Summer/Spring" circuit, I think there is a 'happy medium' that can be reached. I don't like officials who make calls from PAST mid court b/c they can't get down the floor, nor do I care for officials who get overly sloppy on their mechanics.
If you are used to working 3 person crews and are now doing back to back (to back) games in a 2 person format, you can adjust some of the switches/rotations etc, to both look professional and give it the best coverage you can. IMO, it is more important to watch your body language and 'the little' things b/c those will tell the teams, assignor and everyone else in the gym whether you are 'into it' or not.
If you are getting paid you should put forth effort, but to expect "maximum effort' when doing back to back or multiple game formats is a bit much

[DLH17]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

You're imposing your own personal standards on others. These are not "regular" games and the rate being paid reflects that. They're rec-league type games that are being paid accordingly and are getting performances commensurate with the pay being offered. I'm talking not about judgment, integrity, live ball hustle, and knowledge and such but the points about not switching on every foul, or reporting from a greater distance.

Of course, at those rates, they're not going to get a lot of the better refs to come out either....it is just not worth it.

Plus, any assignor willing to regularly put someone on more than 2 or 3 games is already indicating that the expectations are different. It is not possible to hustle for 8 games like you should and do for one or two. Even the best athletes really can't keep up that intensity for that long.

I'm not imposing anything on anyone, other than myself. If my partner doesn't want to hustle, then there isn't much I can do about it other than make sure I'm in correct position to do a good job. Hopefully, he takes the hint and elevates his "game"....which does happen quite frequently. It's a game of give and take, tho. My "attitude" on the forum about this isn't nearly as rigid on the court where my actions speak louder than words. It's all done with the right attitude, as well.

[tref]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Maybe it's a regional thing, but around these parts when you are working for $20-25/game there are no expectations for the officials to be switching on every foul or to run out to the reporting area. And though I'm put the throw-in at the proper spot sometimes that will entail a long-distance bounce so that my partner and I don't have to rotate.

AMEN!

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Okay, I have to ask, because the way you worded this leads me to believe the ball should have been taken out on the sideline. Unless it's in the FT circle, anything above the FT line would be taken out on the sideline. What am I missing?

My bad, there was a call just above the FT line & well below the FT semi-circle. Mr. "I ref 2" Coach, wanted it side out.

Did you hear we got approved to wear grey next season?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by tref

AMEN!



My bad, there was a call just above the FT line & well below the FT semi-circle. Mr. "I ref 2" Coach, wanted it side out.

Did you hear we got approved to wear grey next season?

Gotcha.
No, I hadn't heard that. Fascinating.

[Mark Padgett]

In my career, I have worked literally over 100 games solo. I work FT line to FT line and alternate from side to side, although I work probably 2/3 or more of the time opposite the table and benches. I administer FTs from next to the shooter.

There have been some times when the ball went OOB and I could not be absolutely certain who had the last touch that I hesitate a little to watch the movement of the players, which sometimes indicates who is supposed to inbound. If it doesn't help, then I just make the best call I can.

One thing that helps when I work solo in our local kids rec league is that we don't allow coaches to request timeouts from the bench. I've worked other games that do, and it's hard sometimes to recognize that request because you have so much of your focus on the game action.

Also, don't hesitate to throw the ball to an inbounder from across the court after pointing to the spot.

[icallfouls]

Originally Posted by dlh17

these guys are getting paid the same game rate as they would for league games. Plus, they are doing a 4 or 5 game set, so it's a $100 day for them. They s/b hustling from the opening tip of game 1 to the final second of game 5.

Edit: I did 8 games sat and 8 games sun and never slowed down.

bs!!!