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Old Sun May 30, 2010, 04:32pm
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In NYC, some of our pro-am games do not have a physical shot clock (but do have the shot clock rule) so we keep it ourselves using the game clock -- in this case, we announce at all inbounds, 10, 5 and countdown from 3.
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Old Sun May 30, 2010, 08:13pm
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In our officiating zone our head officials ask us to announce anything under 10 on dead ball (throw in). They're rational is it will help avoid game interruption because a team wasn't aware.
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Old Sun May 30, 2010, 08:40pm
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Why should it be the official's responsibility to tell a team how much time is left on a shot clock? Here officials may give the violation signal or some other if time is close to tell each other but not tell teams. However that is the responsibility of either coaching staff or players to know the clock!
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Old Sun May 30, 2010, 11:54pm
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In our officiating zone our head officials ask us to announce anything under 10 on dead ball (throw in). They're rational is it will help avoid game interruption because a team wasn't aware.
This just seems weird. "game interruption?" So they teach you to coach the players out of a violation? Might as well do your 5 second inbound count out loud.
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Old Mon May 31, 2010, 11:50am
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This just seems weird. "game interruption?" So they teach you to coach the players out of a violation? Might as well do your 5 second inbound count out loud.
I do see that their is a bit of a difference here.

Telling the players about the status of the game is a bit different than telling them they're getting close to an infraction. I don't think it is quite the same as "Hey, watch out, you're getting close to the OOB line" or "Hey, remember, you've already dribbled".

It is more like..."You can run the line" or "Spot throw-in". They should also know which of those it is but we do tell them that. I don't see that it would be much different to say, there are 5 seconds on the clock (to both teams).

Of course, we don't do it that way, but I could see the reasoning.
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Old Mon May 31, 2010, 12:57pm
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I see your point with the spot vs end line throwin, but I do think it's closer to the 5 second throwin call. They're both time limits the players and teams should be aware of.Then again, I've only worked one game with a shot clock, so it's not something I'm overly familiar with.
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"You can run the line" or "Spot throw-in".
How about the infamous, "Get out of the lane"?
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Old Thu Jun 10, 2010, 05:10pm
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During critical throw-ins in the NBA, the officials will sometimes verbally give the counts (The whole count). I'm not sure how often they do it, but they do.

Also, I was at a local rules clinic, and one of the officials there, who does D-III games told us to give the first second of the five second count (I guess this was so they could gauge how fast we were counting?).
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During critical throw-ins in the NBA, the officials will sometimes verbally give the counts (The whole count). I'm not sure how often they do it, but they do.

Also, I was at a local rules clinic, and one of the officials there, who does D-III games told us to give the first second of the five second count (I guess this was so they could gauge how fast we were counting?).
Really? Sounds like the TX tradition of the officials hitting the whistle as they take the court so the players know it's time to stop dunking. Purely local/regional, and something I've never heard of anyone else doing. If your local powers want that done, ok. If, however, it's some guy who just started getting some D-III games passing something he heard from someone that one time at band camp, I'd ignore it.
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Old Fri Jun 11, 2010, 09:46pm
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In our officiating zone our head officials ask us to announce anything under 10 on dead ball (throw in). They're rational is it will help avoid game interruption because a team wasn't aware.

That makes no sense whatsoever.
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That makes no sense whatsoever.
FIBA, Jeff. Might be the proper mechanic for them. Who knows?
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Old Sat Jun 12, 2010, 05:42am
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In our officiating zone our head officials ask us to announce anything under 10 on dead ball (throw in). They're rational is it will help avoid game interruption because a team wasn't aware.
Do you officiate in Canada?
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Old Sat Jun 12, 2010, 06:33am
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Do you officiate in Canada?
His listed location is NB/PEI.
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Old Sat Jun 12, 2010, 07:43am
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Canada yes.

I don't think this is a directive by anyone above our local level. As previously stated it supposedly helps us reduce game interruptions to hand the kid the ball and say you guys have x seconds to shoot (When its below 10). I don't care one or the other so if that's what my partner is doing I'll go along.

I personally feel we would have less game interruptions if our old school officials would stop combining to call 35-50 fouls every game.
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Old Sat Jun 12, 2010, 08:00am
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I don't think this is a directive by anyone above our local level. As previously stated it supposedly helps us reduce game interruptions to hand the kid the ball and say you guys have x seconds to shoot (When its below 10). I don't care one or the other so if that's what my partner is doing I'll go along.

I personally feel we would have less game interruptions if our old school officials would stop combining to call 35-50 fouls every game.
Unfortunately, the "game interruption" that they're advocating is a legitimate offensive violation. What you're doing is aiding the offensive team and screwing the defensive team. As BktBallRef said, that makes no sense at all. Officials are supposed to be neutral. What you're doing is a coaching function.

However, you really don't have a choice if your local association tells you to do that.

Silly monkey local association.

And btw, the foul count in ANY game is predicated on the play, not the officials. And I don't care what association you're in or where it is, some officials will call a tighter game than others. And age and experience doesn't have that much to with that either. As long as both (tight and loose) are consistent, there's not a damn thing the matter with that imo. The players/coaches will adjust to the officiating that they get. It's inconsistent officiating that drives 'em nuts. Your statement above about "old school officials" shows very little actual knowledge about basic officiating realities imo.

And btw, that term "game interrupter" is a pet peeve of mine. Every time you blow the whistle, no matter what for, you interrupt the game. A timeout is a game interrupter. All the "game interrupter" advocates are doing is advocating blowing fewer whistles. And that's dumb. You call what happens in that particular game. And what happens in that particular game is set by the players, not the officials.

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