Flagrant Technicals

[Judtech]

Would it be inappropriate to ask if they are oral exams?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

You're majoring in pornography?

Cool!!

Ummm, what do ya have to do for exams?

I know you are being funny, but actually Political Science, which is the study of government structure, laws and many courses and issues dealing with the Supreme Court and the cases they heard and did not hear. Actually I have taken several law courses in and out of my major that dealt with the law and issues like this.

I think some people think this is a rulebook discussion where only one word matters when it comes to the law or the legal issues.

Peace

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Judtech

Would it be inappropriate to ask if they are oral exams?

Even as we speak, Lindsay Lohan is rehearsing for her next starring role.

It's true,it's true......

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by Judtech

Would it be inappropriate to ask if they are oral exams?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Why is this the image that pops into my mind whenever Padgett talks about his games?

The anvil obviously weighs more than 50 pounds.

[JRutledge]

Nevada,

It does not matter. Can we discuss the play and situation this was about, not a completely unrelated issue that no one cares about but you right now?

Peace

[bainsey]

Taking a little thunder from another thread ("BS" at an official, Celtics/Magic), Rocky said he drew the line between a player saying B.S. and F.U.

My question is, if a player is using any language that would require editing on a message board, wouldn't that itself constitute a flagrant T (vulgar AND abusive)?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bainsey

Taking a little thunder from another thread ("BS" at an official, Celtics/Magic), Rocky said he drew the line between a player saying B.S. and F.U.

My question is, if a player is using any language that would require editing on a message board, wouldn't that itself constitute a flagrant T (vulgar AND abusive)?

No. Context and who the comments are directed towards is a factor for me. If a player says something after hurting their knee is going to be different if they are directing comments to me as an official. Even if it is something we would not allow on this very board to be used.

Peace

[tref]

Originally Posted by bainsey

My question is, if a player is using any language that would require editing on a message board, wouldn't that itself constitute a flagrant T (vulgar AND abusive)?

There are no absolutes or always in what we do. Live in the grey!

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by bainsey

My question is, if a player is using any language that would require editing on a message board, wouldn't that itself constitute a flagrant T (vulgar AND abusive)?

The answer depends on the level being officiated plus the direction that you are being given at that level.

What gets a player T'd up in a high school game might be overlooked in a D1 game. And the same for D1 vs. NBA. Add in the different tolerance levels of officials and you ain't gonna get a hard'n'fast rule at any level imo.

What you can do is be consistent with your own tolerance level...at the level that you're officiating... and let the players and coachs adjust to you.

JMO...

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Nevada,

It does not matter. Can we discuss the play and situation this was about, not a completely unrelated issue that no one cares about but you right now?

Fine. Unnecessary posts deleted.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by bainsey

My question is, if a player is using any language that would require editing on a message board, wouldn't that itself constitute a flagrant T (vulgar AND abusive)?

Rut is absolutely right about the level (and context) having to do with it. In our local rec league, any profanity (regardless of how intended and/or used) by a player or coach is a flagrant technical and demands ejection. We put sportsmanship above everything else (along with player safety, of course). The only exception to that rule is at the HS level, we have the discretion to issue a standard T if we so desire, but not in 3rd thru 8th grade.

A few years ago, I had a kid swear during one of these games. I went to the table and told the book guy to record the flagrant T. He put his arms across his chest and said "No." I stared at him for a moment and told him again. He said he wouldn't because the kid was his son and he knew his son "would never swear". My response? "Coach, we need someone new for the book over here".

[Judtech]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

The answer depends on the level being officiated plus the direction that you are being given at that level.

What gets a player T'd up in a high school game might be overlooked in a D1 game. And the same for D1 vs. NBA. Add in the different tolerance levels of officials and you ain't gonna get a hard'n'fast rule at any level imo.

What you can do is be consistent with your own tolerance level...at the level that you're officiating... and let the players and coachs adjust to you.

JMO...

+1
I have a shorter tolerance at local AAU tournaments then I do at the college level. While it is a sliding scale, there are of course definites. FU, being one of them!!
On a side note, I once had a college coach say loudly, but not too loudly "Youre the ******* that called our last game." I said "Be careful coach, I am adopted so who knows, you could be talking to your brother or uncle!". Didn't have much to say after that! Had that happened on a lower level, I may have whacked em. Since it was a higher level, not loud enough for everyone to hear and a situation I felt I could handle, I let it slide. And if she would have come back with a clever comment of her own, I would have let it go and chalked it up. The difference being, I have to see her and that team probably more, so going with the diplomatic approach IMO, was a best first step. In AAU, I don't know em, won't see em again, so less rope.

(BTW, yes I AM adopted. My parents always said when I was a teenager it was a good thing they lost the receipt!!)

[just another ref]

Going to call at an independent men's tournament tonight through Saturday. I will probably have the opportunity to call one of every imaginable T before it's over.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Going to call at an independent men's tournament tonight through Saturday. I will probably have the opportunity to call one of every imaginable T before it's over.

That's a given in men's wreck. Take an extra whistle because you'll probably wear one out.