Two for the newbies, or anyone else

[Mark Padgett]

Final weekend of spring league. Had two boys V and a JV game this afternoon. Two situations came up that I thought might be fun to discuss.

1) A1 shoots a three. While the ball is in the air, B1 fouls A2. The shot then goes in. Team A is in the bonus. What should happen? What, if anything, would be different if A1 was fouled on the shot prior to B1 fouling A2 but everything else was the same?

2) With a few seconds left, A1 inbounds to A2 who throws the ball toward the basket from behind the division line. The shot is short and as it comes down, A3 and B1 jump for it. The ball deflects off A3's hand into the air, the horn sounds ending the game and then the ball goes in the basket. Are points awarded to team A?

[just another ref]

1. A2 shoots bonus free throws.

A1 shoots his and 1 with lane cleared, followed by A2 shooting bonus
free throws.

2. Two points for Team A.

[Pantherdreams]

Originally Posted by just another ref

2. Two points for Team A.

Unless the intial shot was way short and the tip was beyond the 3 point arc.

[Adam]

Did A3 attempt to hit it towards the basket?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Did A3 attempt to hit it towards the basket?

Since it went in, I have to say yes.

[Judtech]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

Final weekend of spring league. Had two boys V and a JV game this afternoon. Two situations came up that I thought might be fun to discuss.

1) A1 shoots a three. While the ball is in the air, B1 fouls A2. The shot then goes in. Team A is in the bonus. What should happen? What, if anything, would be different if A1 was fouled on the shot prior to B1 fouling A2 but everything else was the same?

2) With a few seconds left, A1 inbounds to A2 who throws the ball toward the basket from behind the division line. The shot is short and as it comes down, A3 and B1 jump for it. The ball deflects off A3's hand into the air, the horn sounds ending the game and then the ball goes in the basket. Are points awarded to team A?

1. Ball becomes dead once the official blows the whistle for the foul. Since the ball is still in flight and NOT in the cylinder the basket does not count.
1 A. A1 would shoot 3. Since the foul was called on the shot, it would make any resulting foul until the ball can be determined to be good or not a dead ball foul, thus resulting in a Technical. That would be 5 FT's for A and A ball on the opposite baseline to resume play
2. No basket. A3 was not making a legitimate attempt at the goal. Much like a defender has to obtain Legal Guarding Position, when shooting from beyond mid court, only the original shooter can have Legal Shooting Status. Had A3 gathered they would have obtained Legal Shooting Status and thus been allowed to score

These answers can be found on 42 (Since that is the answer to life, the universe and everything)

[Judtech]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Did A3 attempt to hit it towards the basket?

That actually WAS a hot button issue a few years ago. The scenario was when a pass was deflected and ended up in the basket.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Judtech

2. No basket. A3 was not making a legitimate attempt at the goal. Much like a defender has to obtain Legal Guarding Position, when shooting from beyond mid court, only the original shooter can have Legal Shooting Status. Had A3 gathered they would have obtained Legal Shooting Status and thus been allowed to score

So, a player can't tap the ball into the basket? And a tap doesn't function in the very same way as a try? Hmmm. I guess I better delete 4-41 Articles 5 to 8.

And I'd love to see "Legal Shooting Status" in the book. Can you direct me to the page/rule/section/article????

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

So, a player can't tap the ball into the basket? And a tap doesn't function in the very same way as a try? Hmmm. I guess I better delete 4-41 Articles 5 to 8.

And I'd love to see "Legal Shooting Status" in the book. Can you direct me to the page/rule/section/article????

Hello Camron....anybody home???

Did you miss the entire thread on blue text? He is obviously doing his best Padgett.

Sorry you missed the joke.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Hello Camron....anybody home???

Did you miss the entire thread on blue text? He is obviously doing his best Padgett.

Sorry you missed the joke.

Apparently not at this hour.

[Nevadaref]

It's all right. I believe that JR has some insightful opinions about that blue text. Perhaps he will remind us of them.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Did you miss the entire thread on blue text? He is obviously doing his best Padgett.

A poor attempt at the unnecessary.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Since it went in, I have to say yes.

Not necessarily. If A3 was trying to grab the rebound, perhaps thinking there was enough time to catch and shoot, then this basket wouldn't count.

The way I understand it, if he had attempted to tap towards the basket, count the points. If he wasn't, then the basket doesn't count.

It's a judgment we'd have to make, and one for which A3 would get the benefit of the doubt. It would have to be obvious he wasn't trying to tap it in the basket before I'd wave the basket off.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Not necessarily. If A3 was trying to grab the rebound, perhaps thinking there was enough time to catch and shoot, then this basket wouldn't count.

The way I understand it, if he had attempted to tap towards the basket, count the points. If he wasn't, then the basket doesn't count.

It's a judgment we'd have to make, and one for which A3 would get the benefit of the doubt. It would have to be obvious he wasn't trying to tap it in the basket before I'd wave the basket off.

Given the situation in the OP, considering the time remaining, I think it would really take something unusual before you wouldn't consider it a tap.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Given the situation in the OP, considering the time remaining, I think it would really take something unusual before you wouldn't consider it a tap.

Agreed.