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Old Fri May 21, 2010, 09:57am
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Given that you're the only one who says this. What did you see?
Probably the same thing the officials on the game saw? I'm with you SNAQdaddy that the video and the angle make it tough to tell. That being the case a 'wise" OLD man once said that if you are not there you shouldn't criticize, that would be like eating your young!!!
In all seriousness, I'm giving the benefit of the doubt to the NO CALLS made in this situation. While everyone agrees that we had a flop and no rebounding foul, the case for traveling is being made with a lot of "seems" "appears" etc. While I would fall into that "appears" "from this angle" crowd, since I am not 100% I'll defer to the people there.
(Unless my earlier post about the location was correct then I stand by my original thoughts!)
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Old Fri May 21, 2010, 10:12am
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Probably the same thing the officials on the game saw? I'm with you SNAQdaddy that the video and the angle make it tough to tell. That being the case a 'wise" OLD man once said that if you are not there you shouldn't criticize, that would be like eating your young!!!
In all seriousness, I'm giving the benefit of the doubt to the NO CALLS made in this situation. While everyone agrees that we had a flop and no rebounding foul, the case for traveling is being made with a lot of "seems" "appears" etc. While I would fall into that "appears" "from this angle" crowd, since I am not 100% I'll defer to the people there.
(Unless my earlier post about the location was correct then I stand by my original thoughts!)
I was just curious that he simply said "no travel," as if he would have disagreed with the officials had they made a travel call. He may have just been offering a short version of, "I can't tell, so no travel."
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Old Fri May 21, 2010, 10:13am
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1) Travel is to close to put a whistle on for me. If I'm gonna kill the game for a travel, its going to be clear and obvious. That one is just to close to clearly say, yep its a travel without the benefit of slow mo and all that crap. I'm not cracking a whistle on this one.

2) Flop

3) Rebounder had a height advantage and was able to reach over a shorter rebounder. Doesn't look like much to me from this angle, play on!
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Old Fri May 21, 2010, 10:17am
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The player probably lifts his pivot before the release of the dribble, but if you run varsity/college games back in slow-motion, the same thing will occur an incredible amount of times, and not by just a whisker, without a call.

IMO, the desire to call it in this one stems from the long stride in the first step.
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Old Fri May 21, 2010, 10:30am
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1) Travel is to close to put a whistle on for me. If I'm gonna kill the game for a travel, its going to be clear and obvious. That one is just to close to clearly say, yep its a travel without the benefit of slow mo and all that crap. I'm not cracking a whistle on this one.
I agree! I've been told that, if you have to rewind the play 3-5 times to see the travel its probably a GI. I dont call marginal travels...
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Old Fri May 21, 2010, 10:53am
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I agree! I've been told that, if you have to rewind the play 3-5 times to see the travel its probably a GI. I dont call marginal travels...
Let me just say, the video here is too grainy to really know whether the travel is marginal, obvious, or non-existent.

You're right, though:
If he might have, he didn't.
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Let me just say, the video here is too grainy to really know whether the travel is marginal, obvious, or non-existent.
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Let me just say, the video here is too grainy to really know whether the travel is marginal, obvious, or non-existent.
There is only one way to definitively settle the matter. Have a poll!
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Old Fri May 21, 2010, 01:56pm
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There is only one way to definitively settle the matter. Have a poll!
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Old Fri May 21, 2010, 02:01pm
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There is only one way to definitively settle the matter. Have a poll!
Who should we get for this? Are we going to consider percieved bias? We would want them to "poll it both ways"? My first thought would to be use the Harris Poll. Since there is a tie in with both a coach (Del) and a player (Devin)
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Travel...

It is grainy but once he picks up the ball (or appears to) there is a step and then then two more because his "jump stop" has two distinct steps it has to be travel...

If this is a marginal travel call then I call way too many...
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May have had a travel call, but definitely no whistle for anything else that happened on that play.
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Travel...because his "jump stop" has two distinct steps it has to be travel.
Agree. Still a tough call in a real time, real game situation. It took me several views of the video to spot the violation.
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I am getting in on the fun late, but here is my take.

1) Travel by W44: A previous poster said that it was too close call a travel and he is on the correct school of thought in not calling a travel. In fact, I do not even think it is close to traveling.

2) Charge by W44: My labeling of this section should give everybody an idea of my feelings about this play. (a) The Black defender (I will call him B1 because I cannot read his number) had obtained/NFHS a LGP. (b) Yes, the camera is not the best, but my concern is that the T started to close down when W44 started his drive and then stopped when he could have and should have closed down two more steps, that would have given him a good angle to see if W44 made illegal contact with B1 or if B1 flopped. (c) Based upon my vast experience and number of years of experience: I have a CHARGE! on W44.

3) The rebounding play I do not care about because I have always stopped play because of the charging fould by W44, .

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P.S.: That means there is a missing choice on Snaqs poll, .
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Charge by W44: The Black defender had obtained a LGP.
I can't question your assertion that the Black defender had legal guarding position, it's just that I'm not 100% sure why he fell down: charged into, tripped over his own feet as he was backpedaling, or flopped?

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I do not even think it is close to traveling.
Check out the two steps after the jump stop. It's a tough call, whether in a real time situation, or even on the video, it can certainly be called either way, but, at the least, it's "close" to a travel.
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