Imagine having to make this call

[eyezen]

[M&M Guy]

Wow, I didn't realize it was that close. Fwiw, I believe the official clock is tied to the one on the basket, along with the LED's, so that's what would be used in any review, not the arena clock. But it would certainly have made for many an hour of discussions.

Duke conspiracy, I'm sure.

[DLH17]

that image looks photoshopped

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by DLH17

that image looks photoshopped

Shocked, shocked I am that you would even suggest such a thing!

[Mark Padgett]

Who cares about the clocks? You can see the ball has left his hand just prior to the horn. It's really close, but the ball is on it's way.

YouTube - 2010 NCAA Championship Butler vs Duke - Final Shot

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

Who cares about the clocks? You can see the ball has left his hand just prior to the horn. It's really close, but the ball is on it's way.

In NFHS rules the horn "trumps" the clock, and now, this year, the red light "trumps" the horn. Are NCAA rules similar?

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

In NFHS rules the horn "trumps" the clock, and now, this year, the red light "trumps" the horn. Are NCAA rules similar?

And in driveway basketball, the horn trumps everything, because if you don't get out of the driveway when you hear the horn, you'll get run over!

[APG]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

In NFHS rules the horn "trumps" the clock, and now, this year, the red light "trumps" the horn. Are NCAA rules similar?

Rule 2, Section 13
Art. 4. In games with a 10th-of-a-second game clock display and where an official courtside monitor is used, the reading of zeros on the game clock is to be used to determine whether a try for goal, a shot-clock violation or a foul occurred before or after the expiration of time in any period. When the game clock is not visible, the officials shall verify the original call with the use of the red/LED light(s). When the red/LED light(s) are not visible, the sounding of the game-clock horn shall be utilized. When definitive information is unattainable with the use of the monitor, the original call stands.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

Rule 2, Section 13
Art. 4. In games with a 10th-of-a-second game clock display and where an official courtside monitor is used, the reading of zeros on the game clock is to be used to determine whether a try for goal, a shot-clock violation or a foul occurred before or after the expiration of time in any period. When the game clock is not visible, the officials shall verify the original call with the use of the red/LED light(s). When the red/LED light(s) are not visible, the sounding of the game-clock horn shall be utilized. When definitive information is unattainable with the use of the monitor, the original call stands.

So - the methods used to determine if the shot got off in time, are, in order:

1) clock
2) red lights
3) horn
4) human

If that's not a commentary on how our society has evolved over the years, I don't know what is. Reliance on a human is on the bottom of the list.

[APG]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

So - the methods used to determine if the shot got off in time, are, in order:

1) clock
2) red lights
3) horn
4) human

If that's not a commentary on how our society has evolved over the years, I don't know what is. Reliance on a human is on the bottom of the list.

How else would you have it done?

[APG]

For comparison's sake, the listed order of importance under NBA rules:

Rule 13, Section 3
e. The officials will use the following to make their final decision in the order listed below regarding scoring, timing or fouls at the end of any period.

(1) Game clock or shot clock on top of backboard.
(2) LED lights.
(3) Game clock on the facades of the balcony.
(4) Game clock on score boards hanging from the ceiling.
(5) Superimposed TV clocks.

EXCEPTION: Clock malfunctions when clocks start early, late or freeze — Officials will use replay clock superimposed from TV production or stop watch.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

How else would you have it done?

Humans only. After all, humans play the game, let humans officiate the game. If not, then play the game with robots.

[APG]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

Humans only. After all, humans play the game, let humans officiate the game. If not, then play the game with robots.

Not a fan of instant replay I'm guessing. I can see your line of thinking for high school (though I'm not opposed to the rule change this year and any in the future that allows for more replay), but as we all know, there's too much money and jobs on the line at the upper levels for this to be done away with. If anything, we'll see more and more rules adaptations for replay.

[Drizzle]

I remember having this discussing two years ago. The wrap-around displays consistently lag the shot clocks by 0.1 to 0.2 seconds, my guess is it has to do with the processing time with those displays. I was at the Houston regional this year, and they actually removed the time display from all of the scoreboards when the clock was under a minute to go, so all you had to look at were the timers on the shot clocks.

[tjones1]

This ruling is easy... just make them re-do the throw-in.