NCAA Rules that NFHS or State Associations should try out?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Pantherdreams

In my experience its created a grey area that our local coaches struggle to deal with and as a result have a harder time dealing with us and managing their own kids.

Now coaches are having to decide whether they feel the T was actually unsportsmanlike or just a unfortunate call based on the rules phrasing and their kids playing hard. Now you've got kids in the with T's you wouldn't normally have playing and in jeporady of getting a second inadvertantly and getting ejected. You have coaches debating that it wasn't unsportsmanlike angles, timing etc. Which obviously filters down to the crowd and players. Not too mention a T noe being a T in the eyes of kids, fans and coaches causing a lot more justification at least in people's minds.

You're spending way too much time worrying about what coaches, players and even the freaking fans think. Way too much! Who gives a damn what they think? We have completely different goals out there. They care who wins. We don't.

It's our job to ensure that the game is played in a safe, sporting manner. We react to the actions of others. And imo if you don't take any crap from the players and coaches, they will adjust to you in one helluva big hurry. And conversely, if you want to try and reason with coaches and players instead of just simply busting them when they deserve it, you'll be spending one heckuva lot of time and breath trying to convince people who are unconvincable.

Paralysis through analysis.....again. See unsporting conduct---> call unsporting conduct. It's that simple.

Unfortunately, it seems that it's always easier to make up reasons not to call a warranted technical foul than it is to just go ahead and call it.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

They care who wins. We don't.

Change the word, "They", to, "You", and you'll have a very short, but hopefully, effective, six word, coaches, and captains, pregame conference. Forget about equipment, and uniforms. Forget about sportsmanship, and the coaching box. Forget about points of emphasis. And definitely forget about the color of the line, "all the way around".

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Change the word, "They", to, "You", and you'll have a very short, but hopefully, effective, six word, coaches, and captains, pregame conference. Forget about equipment, and uniforms. Forget about sportsmanship, and the coaching box. Forget about points of emphasis. And definitely forget about the color of the line, "all the way around".

Wouldn't it be cool if they made the OOB line different colors?

"Gentlemen, on that side of the court, the red line is OOB. On the other side, it's the blue line. Except under the baskets, where it'll be the Green line. Welcome to the Rainbow Center."

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Wouldn't it be cool if they made the OOB line different colors? "Gentlemen, on that side of the court, the red line is OOB. On the other side, it's the blue line. Except under the baskets, where it'll be the Green line."

Post o'the week.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Post o'the week.

I think they should make the OOB line the same color and design as the shoes the teams wear, so you wouldn't be able to tell if a player's foot was on the line.

I also think it should be mandatory to have whoopee cushions on the coach's chairs.

Oh yeah, all hot moms have to check in with the referees prior to tipoff.

[Pantherdreams]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

You're spending way too much time worrying about what coaches, players and even the freaking fans think. Way too much! Who gives a damn what they think? We have completely different goals out there. They care who wins. We don't.

It's our job to ensure that the game is played in a safe, sporting manner. We react to the actions of others. And imo if you don't take any crap from the players and coaches, they will adjust to you in one helluva big hurry. And conversely, if you want to try and reason with coaches and players instead of just simply busting them when they deserve it, you'll be spending one heckuva lot of time and breath trying to convince people who are unconvincable.

Paralysis through analysis.....again. See unsporting conduct---> call unsporting conduct. It's that simple.

Unfortunately, it seems that it's always easier to make up reasons not to call a warranted technical foul than it is to just go ahead and call it.

Maybe I wasn't clear enough in making my point. My issue was with rule changes that set up more reason for conflict, confusion and discussion.

I would love the idea of "if I see unsporting it is unsporting", but as I previously stated we've instituted some rules up here that equal accidental action with no intent but because of time and situation are required to be called tech's.

I do think that our job as well as everyone else's in the sport (coaches, fans, AD's, players) as stakeholders is to do things to help further the game. My point was that I didn't want to see rule changes to have more reasons have tech's called, as I didn't see that as positive step forward for building relationships bewteen the games stakeholders or making it clear to kids what constitutes being unsportsmanlike.

I don't consider a kid getting tangled up with the guy he's denying on a inbound the same thing as telling an official he's an a$$hole but by our rules the same penalty must be applied. So now the kid has gotten called for unsportsmanlike behaviour, (that wasn't unportsmanlike on his/her part as all) which in my mind diminishes the meaning of the call and its importance in the kid and coaches mind.

So I don't think lessening the tech penalty so more refs will call it creates a clear understanding of the importance of instilling sportsmanlike behaviour and clearly punishing that which we deem as unsportsmanlike in players or coaches if it becomes another infraction.

I can manage the game and the rule however it needs to, but if we're talking about rule changes in the best interest of the game I don't think more tech's for more reasons, or with less penalty is a good change.

Sorry if that's rambling!

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Pantherdreams

I would love the idea of "if I see unsporting it is unsporting", but as I previously stated we've instituted some rules up here that equal accidental action with no intent but because of time and situation are required to be called tech's.

I don't consider a kid getting tangled up with the guy he's denying on a inbound the same thing as telling an official he's an a$$hole but by our rules the same penalty must be applied. So now the kid has gotten called for unsportsmanlike behaviour, (that wasn't unportsmanlike on his/her part as all) which in my mind diminishes the meaning of the call and its importance in the kid and coaches mind.

Just because your FIBA rules are stoopid and need changing doesn't mean that NFHS high school rules should also be changed. Why should we institute a rule change to fix your problem? That just ain't very logical imo.

[icallfouls]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Just because your FIBA rules are stoopid and need changing doesn't mean that NFHS high school rules should also be changed. Why should we institute a rule change to fix your problem? That just ain't very logical imo.

Very progressive of you. This is 2010, the NFHS is still in the 1990's on many things.

POI is sufficient for NCAA and would be fine at the HS level. HS coaches, players, and fans have a good understanding of the rule since it is frequently observed on TV. They still count toward the foul count(s) and eventually DQ.

The message is still clear that unsporting behavior(s) will be penalized.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by icallfouls

POI is sufficient for NCAA and would be fine at the HS level. HS coaches, players, and fans have a good understanding of the rule since it is frequently observed on TV. They still count toward the foul count(s) and eventually DQ.

The message is still clear that unsporting behavior(s) will be penalized.

I think that the issue is how much penalty. In NCAA the expectation of making FT's is higher. He11, some JV girls teams in HS can't make a FT all game. In such a case, getting the ball again at the division line ends up being the only penalty for the T.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by mbyron

I think that the issue is how much penalty. In NCAA the expectation of making FT's is higher. He11, some JV girls teams in HS can't make a FT all game. In such a case, getting the ball again at the division line ends up being the only penalty for the T.

Other than half way to DQ, you mean.